The only difference is the cone structure that connects the missile and the warhead. thats it
I didnt say that. i said; siper-b1 missile is the booster added version of hisar-RF missile. not hisar-O+. and it is actually.
this is hisar-RF
and this is siper-b1
and this is atmaca booster and siper-b1
you can see that siper-b1 is just hisar-RF with atmaca booster
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Again you are missing the point. You are deriving this information from an edited footage of the missile, Block 0/1 could be just HİSAR-RF with booster but it is not explicitly stated in any official document. Even reliable secondary sources, such as Defence Turkey, only mentions SİPER Block 0/1 is derived from HİSAR-RF not a single source states it is outright HİSAR-RF with booster.
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You did not, I’m saying there was such claims.
I’m still waiting a proper source for that. As I’ve said above, both official and secondary never states SİPER Block 0/1 is HİSAR-RF with booster. All of them specifically says Block 0/1 is derived from HİSAR-RF.
I do have all those images, again those are from edited videos which give us nothing about actually dimension of missiles. Just because one missile physically similar (or derived from other) does not mean they are same missiles.
That is not accurate way to compare you know right? Even the original source of the images states perspectives of original images are not same. Camera angle and distance should be accounted.
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“SİPER Ürün-1 is developed based on the HISAR O+ RF missile.”
“SİPER Ürün-1, with the booster of the ATMACA anti-ship missile or another variant, has a range of 100 km with a dual pulse rocket motor.”
Yet again supporting what I’m suggesting.
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SİPER Product-1 was developed based on the HİSAR O+ RF missile. The missile, which has a booster of the ATMACA anti-ship missile or another variant, has a range of 100 km with its dual pulse rocket engine.
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what??? how??? :DDDDD directly proved what i said
where exactly? You are explicitly saying SİPER Block 0 is HİSAR-RF with booster, no it is not. It is a missile derived from HİSAR-RF with booster.
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ok bruh :DDDD
Not even the sources you bring here support what you are saying. You do you I guess.
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i think Turkish techtree/subtree should not be added to the game. i dont want it anymore thanks to you. the Turkish community does not deserve this.
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Come on now where is the spirit of debate? Eh it was fun for me did a little bit more research for myself.
Just because I’m trying to be accurate ?
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So it is more likely we will see Leopard modernisation based on Leopard 2T1 rather than BMC’s Altay-esque design ?
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I can’t say this officially, but here’s the logical way you might do the math:
BMC has showcased a hybrid tank design using the Altay turret mounted on a Leopard 2 hull, along with the original Leopard gun. The other modernization model simply retains the full Leopard hull and turret, and upgrades them with additional armor, new optics, fire control systems, etc. (You can revisit my photo for reference.)
The BMC modernization offers extra protection on top of the turret because it uses the Altay turret. In contrast, the other modernization package uses a modular armor kit, which is significantly cheaper and provides protection close to the level of the Altay turret—especially in terms of chemical protection, which is a priority for the Turkish Armed Forces.
So, adding APS (Active Protection Systems) and ERA (Explosive Reactive Armor) kits results in less weight, lower cost, and a faster upgrade process compared to using the full Altay turret.
This information hasn’t been officially disclosed because it’s not yet ready for public release, but this is likely the reason behind CEO’s approach.( If BMC wins this project, they will have to divide their Altay serial production capacity to support both the standard Altay and the Leo-Altay upgrade. However, our command likely prioritizes getting the Altay into service over a hybrid Leo-Altay solution.)
We’ll find out publicly in due time, and this isn’t the end of the competition until an official decision is announced. You should understand that what I’m sharing is logical speculation under simple question and its response—not officially confirmed information.
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Logical approach to our procurement process fall flat mostly mate.
ROKETSAN’s and ASELESAN’s involvement is already official and we do know ROKETSAN & ASELSAN were awarded with 2A4 modernisation. BMC also signed contract way earlier than ROKETSAN this puzzled me but it seems BMC’s contract is no longer in effect.
This package is perfect as it is.
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