i think it should be separate
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hisar-A is standalone system. it can operate alone
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Introduction of Multi-Vehicle SAMs in the Leviathan update opened the door for brand new additions to Turkish Ground Forces Tech Tree. There is two such systems are well suited to current state of the game: HİSAR-O and GÖKDEMİR. There is however a third option which could be introduced when the game is ready for longer-range engagements: SİPER. While we haven’t yet discussed their placement within the Ground Forces Tech Tree; these vehicles will be a valuable addition regardless.
Today we’ll be introducing HİSAR-O Medium Range Air and Missile Defense System and GÖKDEMİR Air and Missile Defense System.
HİSAR-O Medium Range Air and Missile Defense System
HİSAR-O is Turkish Medium Range Air and Missile Defense System jointly designed and developed by ASELSAN and ROKETSAN to protect the skies from variety of threats ranging from Rotary and Fixed-Wing Aircrafts, Cruise missiles, Air-to-Ground Munitions and Unmanned Aerial Vehicles.
HİSAR-O in designed with high modularity and open architecture to be compatible with future technology as well different Platforms, Fire Control and Command Control Infrastructures.
HİSAR-O Battery consists of: 1 Fire Control Center, 1 Radar System, 3 Missile Launching System, 1 Electro-Optical System and 1 Missile Transport and Reloading System.
However there is only three vehicle of HİSAR-O Battery is eligible for in-game addition; Missile Launching System, Radar System and Electro-Optical System. Also as HİSAR-O is part of larger Çelik Kubbe Air Defense System is could use more potent radar systems such as ALP 100-G Multi-Function Low Altitude AESA Radar System and ALP 300-G Long Range Early Warning AESA Radar System
HİSAR-O Battery Elements In War Thunder
Zetros 8x8 Missile Launching System
URAL 4x4 Electro-Optical System
Unimog U-5000 4x4 & KALKAN II Radar System
HİSAR-O Specifications
HİSAR-O Medium Range Air Defense Missile
Range: 20 Km
Altitude: 10 Km
Diameter: 185mm
Warhead Type:
‐ High Explosive Blast Fragmentation
Fuze Type
‐ Proximity Fuze
‐ Impact Fuse
Guidance:
• Midcourse Guidance
‐ Inertial Navigation System
‐ One-Way Data Link
• Terminal Guidance
‐ Imaging Infrared Seeker
Engine:
‐ Thrust Vectoring
‐ Dual-Pulse Solid Propellant Caliber: 185mm
Launch Mass: 610 kg
Max Speed: 3.5 Mach
Max Overload: Classified
Guidance Time: ?
Explosive Mass: ?
HİSAR-O⁺ Medium Range Air Defense Missile
Range: 25 Km
Altitude: 15 Km
Diameter: 185mm
Warhead Type:
‐ High Explosive Blast Fragmentation
Fuze Type
‐ Proximity Fuze
‐ Impact Fuse
Guidance:
• Midcourse Guidance
‐ Inertial Navigation System
‐ One-Way Data Link
• Terminal Guidance
‐ Imaging Infrared Seeker
Engine:
‐ Dual-Pulse Solid Propellant
Caliber: 185mm
Launch Mass: Around 610 kg
Max Speed: Around 3.5 Mach
Max Overload: Classified
Guidance Time: ?
Explosive Mass: ?
HİSAR-RF Medium Range Air Defense Missile
Range: 40 Km
Altitude: 15 Km
Diameter: 185mm
Warhead Type:
‐ High Explosive Blast Fragmentation
Fuze Type
‐ Proximity Fuze
‐ Impact Fuse
Guidance:
• Midcourse Guidance
‐ Inertial Navigation System
‐ One-Way Data Link
• Terminal Guidance
‐ Radio Frequency Seeker
Engine:
‐ Thrust Vectoring
‐ Dual-Pulse Solid Propellant
Caliber: 185mm
Launch Mass: Around 610 kg
Max Speed: Around 3.5 Mach
Max Overload: Classified
Guidance Time: ?
Explosive Mass: ?
GÖKDEMİR Air and Missile Defense System
GÖKDEMİR is a Turkish Air and Missile Defense System jointly designed and developed by ASELSAN and TÜBİTAK-SAGE to perform Air and Missile Defense duties against a variety of threats, including Fighter Jets, Armed/Unarmed Unmanned Aerial Vehicles, Cruise Missiles, Air-to-Surface Missiles, and Helicopters.
GÖKDEMİR is designed to utilize Air-to-Air Missiles for Land-Based Air Defense purposes and features high modularity and an open architecture, making it compatible with future technologies, as well as various platforms, fire control systems, and command control infrastructures.
GÖKDEMİR Air and Missile Defense System, featuring stand-alone integrated Command & Control capabilities, can be directly integrated to Air Defense Radars, Fire Control Systems and Electro-Optical Systems of other weapon systems in operational environments.
Considering GÖKDEMİR is part of larger Çelik Kubbe Air Defense System it could be added with variety of different Radar & Electro-Optical Systems depending on the Battle Rating.
Seyit 8x8 Missile Launching System
GÖKDOĞAN-YH Medium Range Air Defense Missile
Range:
‐ Rumoured to be More Than 35 Km
‐ Stated in Now-Removed ASELSAN Page 20 Km
Altitude: ? Km
Diameter: ? mm
Warhead Type:
‐ Fragmentation Warhead
Fuze Type
‐ Proximity Fuze
Guidance:
‐ Home-on-Jam
‐ Launch-and-Forget
‐ Active Radar Seeker (ARH)
‐ Solid-State Active Radio Frequency Seeker (RF)
• Midcourse Guidance
‐ Data Link
Engine:
‐ Thrust Vectoring
‐ Reduced Smoke Solid Propellant
Launch Mass:
‐ ? Kg
Max Speed: 4 Mach
Max Overload: Classified
Guidance Time: ?
Explosive Mass: ?
Features
Thrust Vectoring
Reduced Smoke Solid Propellant
All-Aspect Engagement Capability
Advanced Counter-Countermeasure Capabilities
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hisar-RF is not 185mm, it is 235mm
hisar o:
4.2 meters
hisar o+:
4.6 meters
hisar-RF:
4.7 meters
btw, Hisar-RF uses 180mm RF seeker which is same as gökdoğan BVRAAM
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No, HİSAR-O, HİSAR-O⁺ and HİSAR-RF all uses same missile body; also ROKETSAN’s own catalogue states it as 185mm.
However SİPER Block 0 (Block 1 without Boosters) is 235mm in diameter, you might be confusing them.
HİSAR-O⁺ and HİSAR-RF’s dimensions are the same, length of both missiles is 4.6 meters, from same catalogue
I have no information about that, you got any source for further reading? Though I do know that HİSAR-RF and SİPER 0/1 is using same RF Seeker. Also neither ASELSAN nor TÜBİTAK-SAGE have any information regarding their RF Seekers.
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siper b0/1 is hisar-RF with an atmaca booster. its not the same, roketsans catalogue is wrong about that
and siper b0/1 missile diameter is 370mm with booster
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lütfen bu eklenmesi zaten yeni gelcekler daha helikopetreli silecek
There is zero official documentation stating this. HİSAR-RF and SİPER Block 0/1 is indeed physically similar and Block 0/1 is more than likely derived of HİSAR-RF but there is no documentation to support it.
Yeah sure it is. There is no data other than ROKETSAN and considering Block 0/1 is product of ROKETSAN I would rather believe that source. Unless you have means to access the missiles and measure diameters, there is no point arguing it further.
That’s exactly what I’ve said though? Only uncertain aspect of my comment is that if SİPER Block 0 had booster or not; then again there is little to no information regarding Block 0 excluding its range which is 70km.
There was even claims about SİPER Block 0 being just HİSAR-O⁺ booster; I have yet to find anything official about Block 0 except for the range. With the current available information we can derive one thing, and it is that SİPER Block 0 & Block 1 is derived from HİSAR-RF and has a booster. No other information has official source including claims about using same booster as ATMACA.
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No they are actually not the same. First one is indeed used on GÖKDOĞAN, second one is for HİSAR and third one for ATMACA.
Here is another angle of the same image
And closer shot of HİSAR’s RF Seeker
As you can see photos alone is not enough, I do have images of seeker what I do not have is their specifications.
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The only difference is the cone structure that connects the missile and the warhead. thats it
I didnt say that. i said; siper-b1 missile is the booster added version of hisar-RF missile. not hisar-O+. and it is actually.
this is hisar-RF
and this is siper-b1
and this is atmaca booster and siper-b1
you can see that siper-b1 is just hisar-RF with atmaca booster
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Again you are missing the point. You are deriving this information from an edited footage of the missile, Block 0/1 could be just HİSAR-RF with booster but it is not explicitly stated in any official document. Even reliable secondary sources, such as Defence Turkey, only mentions SİPER Block 0/1 is derived from HİSAR-RF not a single source states it is outright HİSAR-RF with booster.
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You did not, I’m saying there was such claims.
I’m still waiting a proper source for that. As I’ve said above, both official and secondary never states SİPER Block 0/1 is HİSAR-RF with booster. All of them specifically says Block 0/1 is derived from HİSAR-RF.
I do have all those images, again those are from edited videos which give us nothing about actually dimension of missiles. Just because one missile physically similar (or derived from other) does not mean they are same missiles.
That is not accurate way to compare you know right? Even the original source of the images states perspectives of original images are not same. Camera angle and distance should be accounted.
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“SİPER Ürün-1 is developed based on the HISAR O+ RF missile.”
“SİPER Ürün-1, with the booster of the ATMACA anti-ship missile or another variant, has a range of 100 km with a dual pulse rocket motor.”
Yet again supporting what I’m suggesting.
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SİPER Product-1 was developed based on the HİSAR O+ RF missile. The missile, which has a booster of the ATMACA anti-ship missile or another variant, has a range of 100 km with its dual pulse rocket engine.
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what??? how??? :DDDDD directly proved what i said