Tu-95M buff

You’re one to talk.

And yes if trying to find a good balancing solution is wrong, I don’t want to be right. I’ll die on that hill

At this point I’m convinced if I tried to argue the B-52 should get every buff, be br 4.0 with a 20 megaton nuclear warhead, supersonic speeds, and be a premium…

You lot would argue against that lol. Well maybe not, you all seemingly can’t stop being biased. And see the fact of the matter is the TU-95 needs to have a bigger gap between it and the B-52, because the B-52 is better in many ways.

What is the source that they use because that’s not a usable source please let me know I’ll help with the bug report if you want

That would mean I’d have to requisition the documents from the Russian government.

3 sources I’ve seen online all conclude the 45 250 kg bomb load out.

I believe you but the question is will gaijin believe you

Nobody, literal nobody would let you bomb all 7 base in B-52H
When you have

-3 other bombers and some nasty soviet strikers which want to destroy base. majorities of them are faster or have better airspawns.
-Tons of interceptors which want to see you get f… ed.

Also, I told here earlier, if you carry more bombs than 25k dmg, your base reward multiplier gets cut drastically.
Haven’t you ever flown with a B-29 or a Tu-4? Both of them can destroy four bases at once, but the reward per base is a lot lower than IL-28 with four 500kg bombs.

IF B-52H is really better because of a higher payload.
Why Buccanner and Lincoln, which can carry 15 1000lb in total, and Tonka IDS with 11x 1000lb cannot be meta?

Tonka has a drastically heavier payload than both F-111C/F and damn MiG-23s.

It just won’t fucking matter because you will get your reward doomed, and no one will let you throw all of your bombs into seven bases in a single sortie.

Man, seriously? This is a false equivalence.
BMPT is meta, B-52H isn’t meta. simple.

AND B-52H needs to be 8.3, while B-66B needs to be 8.7 in the same measure.
All of B-52H and Tu-95, and Tu-4 has similar problem.
I just can’t get why the hell you want to be ass to B-52H exclusively.

About this part, if you have a proper usable source, bugreport it, then we all in the community might be able to help you.
unless you are constantly stabbing others with verbal, and turn your potential allies into enemies.
Just let all of us have proper sources, then the majority might help you.
as long as it is historically accurate.
It is way better than fake nuke.

If we consider your spec difference claim, “Far worse in every category” is true just for arguing’s sake
Then, can you tell us why Tornado GR.1(11.7) and MiG-23ML/MLA/MLD (11.7) share the same BR?
MiG-23 is better in every category in ARB, including the base bombing role.

In the context of Air RB, the majority of the spec differences are invalid, so those 0.3BR gaps are fine.
And about Air Sim, do you know that every gamemode can have a different BR?
If we need to buff Tu-95M, we also need to buff B-52H, in the same measure.

Both share the same problem. being worthless, non meta. As almost all of the strategic bombers in War Thunder do.
From B-17, till B-29/Tu-4.
and will be followed with B-52H/Tu-95M, and Tornado IDS/Su-24.

Excuse me, but what the f

Find a good balancing solution itself isn’t bad. but problem is, you are not finding good balancing solutions. others counterargued why your POV can be wrong, but you just skipped those as ‘woo weee nato mains’


Of course we will. B-52H in lower BR than B-17?

Sounds like projection.

False, B-52H is better than Tu-95M in many ways, but almost all of them are invalid, so gap can be that small.

We need to seek solution for both, not killing one to save another.

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Bro said it sounds like projection lol. Ah yes, projection as I said the far better vehicle should be a higher br gap away from the worse vehicle.

Also I’m not stabbing anyone with my words, unlike others of the forums I don’t belittle or use profanity.

Bottom line is the Tu-95 needs a buff.

Whether it’s bomb load or be adjustment.

The B-52 is fine where it is.

How is that false? I said the B-52 is better in many ways, and they’re all valid.

Speed, Acceleration, Climb rate, 8 engines instead of 4, airbrake, payload, thermal imager + targeting camera, etc

But since clearly there is no bias on the forum, people claim the TU-95 is just as good, because it has better defensive armament?

Neither are in a good spot right now is the point we are trying to illustrate and wanting to buff one but nerf the other isn’t helping your case also you need to find proper sources that gaijin would accept

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Incorrect. I have laid out solutions, the same solutions numerous amounts of times.

I am not buffing one and nerfing the other.

Yes.

No.

Because it doesn’t just make any differnce in gameplay differnce in Air RB.

I think I EXPLAINED ABOUT THIS FOR COUNTLESS TIMES.

Look at context, not paper stats.

Then what, do we need to send Pe-8 to 6.0BR because it has a 20mm gunner and FAB-5000 while Stirling or B-17 don’t?

Or do we need to nerf Lincoln and Shakelton further because they have better payload than G8M?

Answer is no.
In both of sending Pe-8 to 6.0, nerf Lincoln or keep B-52H on 8.7

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This doesn’t fix the overall issue with bombers in general which is a type of fix that we would need here

Earlier on I’m not saying you are now you were wanting to Nerf the bomb load of the 52

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I proposed a fix to bomber gameplay previously. Not here.

Gaijin needs to make every bomber spawn in with 2 ai bombers (same plane) to fly in a wing. And follow what the player does

And single Bf-109 or F-104 singing hyme and kill all three of them in a single pass.

AI gunners are deaf, dumb, and blind as Tommy did.

But our AI gunner cannot play a mean pinball.

The ai gunners used to be good.

Not anymore, becaue If Gaijin revert AI gunner change

Then no fighter players will able to shoot Be-6, Tu-4 down with guns.

If we think about Gaijin’s stance (bit of russian bias, bit of US bias, and tons of Fighter bias), AI gunner will not be good.

So adding AI bomber and form wing is nice idea but cannot solve the grand problem.


And back to original topic,
Just asking.
Do you still think B-52H need to be 8.7 or 9.0 when it is basically a worse B-29 in Air RB?
(It may faster and better in spec, but if we think about opponents)

You didn’t got what I meant?

I mean, we may could adjust naval RB or Air Sim’s BR
but if we just think about Air RB.

Since we can have seperate BR in every gamemode

only thing the bear needs is to be easier to land. Its literally lower BR with one or two big bombs to get a kill easier. Problem is that unlike B52 you dont have a drag chute nor do you have airbrakes to really slow down yourself fast and break your wings. It doesnt need a small yield nuclear bomb what the f*ck are you thinking.

I will hold my judgement until I play the B-52 in sim.

I just played a couple matches (one run each) in the TU-95, and the fighters got me before I could do anything, and all our airfields were destroyed.

Meanwhile my team was all flying Tu-95s.

Btw this was the result of me bombing the enemy airfield in sim. As you can see, it didn’t do jack. Literally didn’t even Yellow the runway. And they were direct hits btw.

Hmmmm. Air Sim cannot represent Air RB but okay then :/

Air sim will be its best mode, if it performs poorly there, then that will be telling, but as the TU-95 goes, it’s terrible.

I told you why B-52H isn’t superior compared to Tu-95M, in Air RB.

I asked “Do you still believe B-52H shouldn’t get buff or get further nerf in Air RB?”

Then you concluded “Okay I will hold the decision till I play those in Air Sim”…

Air RB =/= Air Sim.

MAN, I think you didn’t get a single point which I literally told you…

Air sim and arb will be played.

But again, air sim will be by far its best mode