The only similar problem they share is they’re huge, and they’re bombers.
What you’re lacking to agree with is the fact that the B-52 is better in many more ways than one.
What I said earlier:
Not all these need to apply. Hence why I said “ As it stands now there’s only a couple options that are reasonable.”
There, I put an “or” between the numbers to make it easier to understand
there in lies the core issue of nothing else even mattering because both get absolutely demolished by fighters in the current air rb gameplay loop. I want both of these bombers to get buffed but as it currently stands there is no real big disparity between the two because they both get demolished.
B-52H is probably better in many more ways, but almost all of those points are basically worthless in Air RB.
Because none of those is a need to apply, and none of the options seems reasonable to me.
Option 2 might be plausible, but
B-52H to 8.3 and B-66B to 8.7 also need to be followed.
You are overselling invalid points of B-52H in Air RB to make an inappropriate nerf on B-52H.
I personally (and I understand the subjectivity of this topic) think that they do. The Bear sits lower than the Buff, which reflects the payload- but it doesn’t sit terribly low thanks to the better defensive capacity of the Bear (not quite, but much closer to 360 degree protection than the Buff). Other than that, they are relative equals; being close in capability otherwise: where one excels the other struggles, and vice versa.
I also would like to point out that (at least in ARB), there are only 4 bases available at any one time; which both aircraft can each take out all 4 bases on their own. So having more doesn’t necessarily help when there aren’t more targets to take care of.
They were im pretty sure, but that’s not my problem. My problem is the fact that bombers are implemented poorly.
IRL, a Tu-05 would have multiple jets escorting it usually. In WT, you are alone. No one is escorting you and no one is gonna save you from the F-106, Lightning, and F104 hordes.
It’s even worse because of how poor the damage the damage flight models are for bombers. In theory, a B-52 should be able to shrug off a decent bit of damage to its body. In WT, a small burst from a vulcan is exploding your plane without issue.
As I said previously:
The bomb load is not the only reason to cause a difference.
I would agree the speed difference and acceleration make up for the lack of defensive armament on the B-52. Especially since defensive armament is a secondary characteristic.
Primary is speed and bomb load. In which both are better in the B-52.
But the fact is the B-52 has 2.37906 times the bomb load of the Tu-95… planes have been uptiered for less.
The F-111A is 10.7 and can dump 207,088 worth of damage.
The ability to carpet bomb in ground is more likely to score more kills than the TU-95s big bomb drop.
In sim, this is especially bad, as one B-52 can kill an airfield by itself, and wipe 2-4 bases out along the way.
The TU-95 could probably kill 2 or 3 bases. But will not be able to destroy an airfield on its own.
Yes they both suffer from the same things, but again the B-52 is better in all but defensive armament
It also has an air brake, which can be used to slow the plane quicker, the TU-95 does not.
Lastly, not a huge advantage, but the B-52 has a targeting camera with a thermal stock.
This doesn’t matter until they fix core bomber issues. Just because they should have added tu95ms doesn’t mean b52h needs nerfed, both bombers should be buffed in fact!
Bomb load is the worst balancing metric you can use for balancing bombers in war thunder. There are only 4 bases, and it takes 100k damage to remove them. Those bases also won’t be killed by just one aircraft either.
Moving the B-52 up because it has a useless advantage is a dumb idea, considering it’s already bad at 8.7.
It’s the worst if you only consider it to be played in Air RB, which you all are.
Don’t forget AIR SB, Ground RB / Sim, and Naval RB / Sim.
Also it doesn’t take 100k base damage to kill a base. 3 2000 lbs bombs killed a base. That’s 7 bases worth on one plane.
Why would both need to be buffed when one is significantly better than the other?
That’s like putting a Puma IFV vs an BMPT and saying they both need a buff. It doesn’t make sense.
Great in sim perhaps - pretty unlikely in any other mode, so not actually worth anything at all in terms of BR
There’s legit videos of a guy taking out a whole fleet in a B-52. He won the whole naval match
Spookston made a video about how annoying they were in grb because they were devastating the match.
So much so he dedicated a to killing them
The Tu-95 has 3 3000kg bombs, it’ll be fine in GRB. It may only be weaker in ASB, but its superior turret coverage would balance its lower max capacity out.
That’s what it takes to destroy all bases in an air RB match.
You aren’t getting 7 bases in one aircraft in air RB. It’s different in air sim, but its not like the Tu-95 is massively worse.
It’s almost like one is a higher BR.
Maybe consider that it shouldn’t be allowed to be flown in naval battles.
that’s like comparing apples to a Honda civic man both vehicles are incredibly bad and you want to make one (arbitrarily might i add) even worse
Same guy was against APHE changes btw, his opinions mean absolutely nothing
Why is it so hard for you all to simply admit the B-52 is way better?
And that the 0.3 br difference is too little as it currently stands.
Like I said previously.
The best change is to:
Make the Tu-95M 8.0
Make the TU-4 7.7
It fixes all the problems right then and there.
Other than the missing loadouts for the Tu-95 like the 45 fab-250s
Is it documented for the m model? if so let’s get a bug report in! This is part of why I keep pushing for an MS model
Because they are both shit.
With the current compression and state of bombers any more would be blatantly unfair.
As well as making the B-52 8.3 because it is undefended food for supersonics because it doesn’t have any forward defense, unlike the Tu-95.
It depends, this version of the Tu-95 wasn’t meant to carry many small bombs. Perhaps the 6x FAB-250s is because the bomb bay wasn’t configured to carry many small bombs and only a few big bombs. While it certainly could carry that but capacity alone, if the bomb bay isn’t configured for it and could only be configured with hardpoints to carry 6x FAB-250s then there’s your answer as to why its like that ingame. Is it trash? Yes. Is it something that Gaijin can fix? not really, they chose to implement this version of the Tu-95 instead of the later one that could carry more smaller bombs as the Tu-95 transitioned from Strategic Nuclear Attack to being capable of Tactical Strikes and Carpet Bombing instead.