T-84 Opolot as well.
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Wasn’t that textron=Cadillac export vehicle developed by US?
??? You literally asked what vehicles Thailand could provide and I gave you one. What are you talking about?
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Germany doesn’t need a sub-tree for the same reason the US and USSR don’t, though the latter two actually have some viable options. The “arguments” for German sub trees basically all boil down to either:
*They speak German or a language similar to German
*Some Germans live there
*They used a German tank or tank co-developed by Germany at some point
All of which are comically shit reasons for a sub-tree in a nation that still has plenty of domestic designs available, and is already the 2nd biggest tree in the game.
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They are from other countries… personally, idc…thought maybe they developed some of their own.
Yes, that’s right!
Thailand should still get it if their subtree is added, as they’re the only operator of the vehicle.
I don’t see that as a loss, as there’s many other US light tanks to be added, such as Stingray II, M10 Booker, BAE’s MPF prototype etc.
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Yes, so is the F-4 but it is in multiple trees. Since Thailand operates the T-84, it has the best chance of making an appearance if it was a Japanese Subtree.
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I would love to see oplot m, but it won’t happen for above reason.
For reason of what? The vehicle is Ukrainian in origin? The T-84 is currently sitting in the CTK files, but placing the tank where it would have reasonably gone (Russia) would be the upsetting part for people. The Thai T-84 is just a tank. That would be like people throwing a fit over the T-90M and T-80BVM being in game right now due to conflicts.
That’s not true. The biggest reason for a german subtree is the lack of planes at rank 6+. Germany has atm less vehicles/jets than france even without the benelux subtree.
With benelux they get 4 more vehicles at rank 6+ air and if france can get vehicles there despite already having more then germany aswell with a subtree.
Plus france has still much more options for planes there compared to germany like an improved alpha jet etc. while germany has realisticly only 1 tornado, 2-3 eurofighters and a F-35 left
Germany ain’t that large what you on fam
Some countries could even form subtrees in different nations.
Like, for example: Poland.
Polish WW2 era tanks could go to britain, as they should fight against ussr and germany. (also, they were inspired by vickers designs)
But we already have polish vehicles in germany, like leopard 2pl and Lim5P
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How about
US: Australia, saudi Arabia
Germany: Switzerland and/or Austria
France and italy already got one
Russia: well could be Kazakhstan but it’s a huge export nation so probably a copy paste,
Sweden: norway Denmark, and Finland which already exists
Japan and china are both highly controversial so I’ll avoid it get too political
As for israel? I don’t really know all they cooperate with are mostly with US
If anyone gets sources would be cool
And that’s it for most part
P.S
We actually need subtrees for countries as it could really bring balance and close tech tree holes
And reduce faction wars between people in forums
They did actually.
Examples:
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DTI Sea Tiger AAPC
DTI Black Widow Spider
Chaiseri Tiger I
FAV
Thairung Transformer with RBS-70
Thairung MU4 with Starstreak
And there is even some ongoing projects with great potential, like the AFV-420P and R600
AFV-420P
R600
That would be great for japan
However idk if it’ll spark a political conflict in forums
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Germany ain’t that large what you on fam
Germany has atm less vehicles/jets than france even without the benelux subtree.
Germany has 151 Ground, 166 Air and 67 Naval vehicles, making it the second largest Ground tree, third largest Air and fourth largest Naval tree.
France has 85 Ground, 91 Air and 23 Naval vehicles, putting it at sixth place for Ground, seventh place for Air and seventh for Naval - dead last.
The BeNeLux tree gives France 10 more planes moving it up to sixth largest in Air. Fair enough France currently has 29 Rank 6+ aircraft (Third most) and Germany 26 (Fourth most) but, as discussed, they still have a far larger tree overall.
Potential future options gets pretty subjective but looking purely at previous forum suggestions you’ve missed out at least 4 Phantoms plus an assortment of F-84s and MiG-19/21/23s; End of the day Germany were more into building ground vehicles than air.
And circling back to your first point
The biggest reason for a german subtree is the lack of planes at rank 6+
Again they don’t lack planes at Rank 6+, they just have fewer than France does. Eurofighter is almost certainly coming before the end of 2024 so people need to have a crumb of patience, their heads won’t explode if Germany doesn’t dominate every rank every update. And for the record I do think the BeNeLux sub-tree is a horrible idea.
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I believe Thailand is already being at least considered. Especially now that Gaijin has tested the waters with the F-5E FCU and received a very positive reaction from Thai players. The only real issue might be some Chinese vehicles Thailand bought in the modern day, as many Chinese players don’t want to see them under a Japanese flag.
Though I believe there is also a way to avoid even that last issue
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Shameless self promotion
Subtree Rework - Nation Folders
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