We have passed all the discrepancies in BR to the developers. So this will likely be reviewed at the next BR update.
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Thank you, it is much appreciated. I know gunjob has already done so, but the Tornado F3 and Tornado ADV also need to be reviewed as well, as they are identical in all respects but at different BRs as well
What specifically in these articles are you suggesting should be used to change something on the current German Tornado IDS or IDS Marineflieger?
3/4 of these articles are relating to the ASSTA 3.0/3.1 which we don’t have in game. So its not clear what the actual purpose of linking these articles is.
For example, fix and change the “CLDP” and “ASSTA” modules to be appropriate in real life, as they are different and have never been the same, while in the future there will be more weapons for these systems and their interaction
The goal is to indicate that there are specific examples and calculations for this are in the public domain
And I am leading to the fact that all information on the modification data should be taken only from German sources, and not from accompanying ones from Italy or England. In addition, do not forget that the ASSTA documentation is classified, and if I had it, I could not point out your mistakes to you, for logical reasons.
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So there are differences between the different versions of the Tornado IDS. specifically Differences with the german version compared to the British version, but you cannot identify those differences because of classified nature of the relevant sources and so you cant specify the differences? But you want to correct the aircraft to accomodate those differences?
Please look at the links at the top that I provided, at least to “CLDP”, and draw a conclusion
And what kind of “British version” are we talking about?
CLDP is the Convertible Laser Designator Pod right?
So the main difference is the targetting pod? As we have seen with the Harrier Gr7, additional targetting pods are not currently in game. It is and has been waiting on either the Litening or Sniper targetting pod and I think Gunjob has already eluded to the fact that many of the benefits of that specific targetting pod over the current one have already been added to the game for gameplay reasons. Even though they arent technically accurate.
It’s not just a module, you obviously haven’t opened the document. And I ask again where does Britain? If I personally review, the Italian version and the German one, including the documentation?
Tornado Gr1. The British version of the Tornado IDS variant
I’ve looked through all 4 of the linked pages above, but found no references to CLDP and appear to be refering to a more modern version of the German Tornado IDS. Its like saying the Tornado Gr1 is missing features because the Tornado Gr4 has them
Looking at the PDF. there are CLDP references, but I see nothing that would elude to benefits that are not already present in the current targetting pods with the exception external appearance. I do want to see more targetting pods added, but I dont consider it a high priority. Especially when compared to issues like low CM count, missing ECM pods and even the lack of HARM
this whole thing would finish quicker if you would just tell us the things dircetly and not say read trough it
Quick read of the abstract, this is referring to the German IDS carrying Paveway IIs and IIIs. Which it can carry. What weapons EXACTLY are missing from the German IDS variant we have in game?
Bare in mind we dont have CBUs or HARMs of any kind on any aircraft, though I do hope both are being worked on.
We also dont have buddy targetting which again i’d like to have, but I dont think would be of any benefit to anyone in game except a tiny niche of players.
Agreed.
In short, they not only have a different appearance, but they also have different capabilities, for example, to stabilize the sight for a container, and so on, as well as to integrate with other types of weapons and their number. Accordingly, now they are the same, but they should be different
So you want them to nerf the current IDS version until such time they add more targetting pod options that might not be available for some time? Purely because it would be historically accurate?
Well, firstly, they won’t do that, they generally don’t listen to the players, unfortunately. Secondly, I want this to be fixed with a patchnote. Some day…
Then I advise creating a detailed report, with validated sources, outlining the exact issues/discrepencies you have identified and submitting a Bug post. Im sure both Smin or Gunjob would be happy to bump that along to the devs. We have already seen a LARGE number of changes come to the Tornados of all types and even more to come.
Where information is not available, there will be issues and guesstimates will likely be needed using available sources, such as the Tornado Gr1 manual for the German IDS. Not ideal, but better than nothing. As we enter an era for aircraft like the Typhoon, this problem is only going to get worse.
I personally want CCRP for GBUs and Flight Director HUD symbology added for the Tornado to Improve cockpit performance in SB. Both features that I hope we’ll get and as for the missing Flight director, I’ve submitted a bug report with help from others on the forums for that and Gunjob kindly passed along. Fingers crossed to that addition in the future.
Linking to websites with no explanation to why helps no one.
As I said, I can find a lot of information and documentation about “CLDP”, but you can forget about “ASSTA”, the information is classified, since this system is also in Typhoon
Then I’d submit a full bug report with as much information as you can. But Targetting pods in general are probably due an overhaul.