Tornado GR.4: Tenacious Tonka

[Gunjob]

Frankly gentlemen I’m disappointed so many of you have such glaring skill issues that a 20km SAL+IOG Brimstone is somehow unusable hahaha.

[tripod2008]

This makes me wonder if the leaked F-15E’s going to be modern or have the approximate counterpart to the Brimstone, the AGM-187A (or alternately the GBU-39A/B or -53/B ) with access to the BRU-61 it could well be very deadly, considering that MMW seems to no longer be be a reason to exclude ordnance.

[lmÖrÏ9]

One thing you missed is there is a giant difference between knife and gun.

And that’s the same difference between Flakrad and Pantisr-s1,
and the same difference between AGM65 and KH38MT

[KangarooDaddy]

Would be a vehicle you would have the play smart with but I feel these will be more effective than AGM-65’s as yes the brimstones are manually guided but honestly allows you to switch target and actually make sure it hits unlike AGM.

[Morvran]

Msotly disapointed with the convoy/battlefields in Sim. Was hoping I can do what the AV-8B(NA) can with the 10x JDAMs and just delete battlefields in a single pass. This is going to be… fiddlier, with the Brimstones

[Gunjob]

@tripod2008

considering that MMW seems to no longer be be a reason to exclude ordnance

Brimstone is specifically coming without the ARH MMW element. So unless they have a SAL mode too?

[StuntShow]

Okay but is there a chance it will get ASRAAM?

[Necronomica]

So functioning exactly like an IR ATGM with IOG?
I personally don’t see the point of it in that case as it takes away almost all the functions of the mechanic (and would also be a hassle to make a new mechanic for in game that you later have to change anyway when ARH ATGM is added in the future).

[AK_Awful_Waffle]

No, we need more Pantsir equivalent units. Currently there’s no defending from long range CAS fires other than the Pantsir.

[putcheeseonit]

@Stona_WT

Developer comment: We’d like to mention that Brimstone will only have semi-active laser homing (SAL) mode in the game. The fire and forget mode and the active radar homing seeker will not be available for a few reasons. The primary reason is that this seeker utilizes the “lock-on after launch (LOAL)” mode, this mode allows the weapon to be fired in the general area of a target without needing any actual precision from the operator, who can remain at long range in complete safety.

We feel weapons that can be used outside of the direct line of sight of the target without needing any preliminary reconnaissance or direct user targeting are not currently workable for the game. Weapons such as Brimstone, AGM-114L cause a particular problem and similarly to other ATGMs that have lock after launch modes like the Spike and AJ.168 will not have such abilities in the game.

These weapon types present several issues all at once, they require no challenge to use effectively and have no counterplay options for those being attacked. The attacker can operate outside of the range of any anti-air system in the game, Brimstone is also immune to smoke, so this won’t help either.

ARH modes for air-to-ground weapons won’t be workable until natural and artificial interference to these guidance systems can be implemented, as there are no electronic reconnaissance and electronic warfare systems in the game. Adding these weapons now would allow them to operate perfectly without any counter, which we don’t want to do. Additionally, at closer combat ranges ATGMs with ARH cannot distinguish between allied and enemy targets, and this would lead to a large amount of accidental teamkills as well.

Why not have these modes only be available in air battles? If I’m going to be flying a boat, at least let me massacre some AI targets :)

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Why not included MiG-21 🦬🦬🦬?

[Little_relaxed45]

I’m thinking 3 updates for the airframe and then another 2 after that before it gets better munitions.

[lmÖrÏ9]

it’s not the same thing, you have to consider about the range between the air spawn point and the range.

I would say when you fly a Tornado on a air spawn, you will be get locked on by Pantisr-S1 in a few secs, and you can’t move too stong when you guide one Laser weapon on a flying brick.

[Master_Teaz]

@Necronomica

LOAL ARH is sooooo much worse. Like, its not even a question.

or ya know, add it as normal F&F like a TV/IR seeker? you did similar stuff with the Martels, I don’t see why you can’t do it with the Brimstone, Fire and Forget is one of the largest features of the Brimstone, making it a longer ranged faster hellfire is cruel, especially when the KH38 Exists

[tripod2008]

They use a similar dual mode MMW / SALH seeker. Though there might be an eventual variant that uses the JAGM-MR’s (not yet type classified, but likely to become the AGM-179B) trimodal seeker (additionally includes an IIR seeker.).

[Morvran]

dont taint this thread with that name :P

[Gunjob]

Tornado isn’t a brick anymore haha, also have you tried diving to the deck, it’s exactly what you do in Gripen already?!

[Ion_Protogen]

Yeah I don’t get why people want to remove the only somewhat effective spaa, instead of asking for better spaa.

Do they just want to be unkillable?

[KangarooDaddy]

Most people always have something to complain about hahaha

[MightyBaozi]

Here comes the BIG TONKA