Tornado GR.4: Tenacious Tonka

It wasnt though. The Anwser was

Tornado GR1, ASSTA1 and A200A have higher effeciency than the WTD61 and MFG (and now A200) therefore they get a higher BR.

They were given 0 explanation of how or what about them gives them higher effeciency

At the moment, most aircraft that primarily bomb bases in Air Battles are as effective, if not more, than fighters of the same Battle Rating, although they often have much weaker weapons and air combat capabilities than fighters.

We’re aware that many of you think that the Battle Rating of bomb carriers in Air Realistic Battles is too high, comparing them with fighters solely in terms of air combat capabilities.

However, on the economy side of things, the Battle Rating of bomb carriers — which are discussed in many topics — are optimal or even underestimated. This means that their weak capabilities for air combat doesn’t prevent them from receiving on average a good or even great reward. As noted above, the average reward is one of the main factors in determining the Battle Rating of a vehicle. Therefore in order for us to be able to reduce the Battle Rating of these aircraft while maintaining healthy economic progression, the rewards for damaging and destroying bases would need to be reduced so that the average reward (the effectiveness) of bombers and fighters is equalized.

So no explanation on how the 3x at 11.3 gain less reward than the 3x at 11.7. They have 100% identical potential to kill bases, in fact with the 3x at 11.3 being a lower BR, i’d actually guess they have the greater effeciency as they likely make it to 1 or more bases every game. Those at 11.7 if nothing else, encounter aircraft like the F-4S that steal bases all the time.

We fully realise that a change like this will not receive any support from players who are asking for a reduction in Battle Ratings at the current average reward values.

Therefore in the summer, we’re planning to give more clarification and bring this issue up for discussion — whether or not we should reduce the rewards for bases in order to reduce the Battle Rating of aircraft that mainly bomb bases, or leave everything as it is now. Please follow the news for more details on this.

This was never done. We never got this post

Based on what we’ve written above, as of now we are going to leave the strike variants of the Tornado at their current Battle Ratings in Air Realistic Battles. The Battle Rating of the Tornado IDS ASSTA1 (Germany), Tornado GR.1 (Britain), and Tornado IDS (1995) (Italy) will not be lowered, and the Battle Rating of the Tornado IDS MFG (Germany) and Tornado IDS WTD61 (Germany) will not be increased to that of the other Tornadoes mentioned above.

Those 6 Tornado IDS are 100% identical (except the GR1 which has weaker engines) Therefore they have 100% identical performance. Also never did give more calirification on this issue, it was forgotten

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Statistically that is not the case with their efficiency which is what decides their BRs.

So because WTD61 is flown by bad players that skipped the tree to buy a Premium meant it got a lower BR. Despite being 100% identical to those at 11.7?

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statistically, is a (respectfully speaking) stupid way to balance in ARB. Given ARB is almost always mixed battles it doesn’t have the excuse GRB did of “well they dont fight the same vehicles”

These vehicles are identical, no duh the WTD61 is statistically inferior, because it’s a premium. The A-200 is the same BR purely due to the fact if it was 11.7 it’d put the WTD61s BR into further question.

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Deleting comments that fairly criticise your decisions ain’t a way to look all that flash.

Why does your balance team fail to account for survivorship bias? It is a valid question.

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Comments are removed when they break forum rules and contain insults to the Devs.

It’s more than possible to make a post without them and refrain from rule breaks.

Being critical is fine. Insults are not.

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They were completely valid questions. Are you sure that your balance department has the training needed to account for the data they are handling? Because the outcomes are incredibly unfavourable to that conclusion based on their actions. If the outcomes weren’t so unfavourable, I would not be questioning this but every step of the way there’s incredibly questionable decisions claimed to be “based on statistics”.

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Implication =/= statement.
Your post =/= you.
So no one rewrote anyone’s statement.
Stating that a post implies something IS NOT and has NEVER been stating the person OR post stated something.
So as I said in the first sentence: Implication is not a synonym of statement.

@Flogger_cbs
You mean my what seems to be a 2:1 KDR:


I’ve used it as a fighter and bomber in air RB, and obviously its ground use was fragging at least 2 dozen players.
If you want to know how many times I spawned it in ground battles, here’s the tank I got 1 - 10 weeks after putting the Mirage 2000DR1 in my lineup.

can brimstones get something like the gps guide,i mean very correct iog.
the brimstones can do this in reality

They do not have this in SAL mode.

too many aircraft have radically different BRs to identical versions, It is becoming a concern.

Like the B-26, AMX, Hunters and Tornado IDS are all examples of this

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You have two planes in the game: the F-111F and the F-111C. Am I correct in understanding that these planes have the same effectiveness in ARB and ASB, and that’s why they are at the same BR?

Which is my entire point, but apparently highlighting it snarkily when it is an incredibly valid concern is breaking the rules.

fine I’ll rephrase it more professionally.

It is a statistical fallacy to place the WTD61, MFG, and A200 at 11.3 when stat for stat they are identical to the IDS and GR1 barring the Laser Guided Bombs which have no impact on the performance of the aircraft in Air Combat.

Not only does Air RB frequently have mixed battles meaning the Ground RB reasoning of “they fight different threats” doesn’t apply here. But the WTD61 (a premium for one of the most popular nations in the game), and the MFG (an event plane for one of the most popular nations in the game) will obviously perform worse statistically than the IDS/GR1 which require you to actually work your way towards and its implied are used by slightly better players.

However statistically the A-200 performs better than the WTD61 and MFG, so why is it 11.3… well the reason is simple, because if it got moved up to 11.7 it’d make any argument for the IDS/MFG being 11.3 fall apart more than it already does.

I understand balancing the same vehicle differently in GRB (at times) because of what these vehicles face when in certain nations. In ARB this does not matter because it’s constantly mixed.

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This picture perfectly shows the situation. People are dancing because they got something new and good looking but they are very sad and because crucial component is made horribly wrong and broken.

i think brimstones’ maximum speed is too low,does it reall?current in the game its even lower than agm114k

Or even A2G combat (in ARB) as they all have CCIP, Even if you target AI tanks, you get more score dropping 12x Unguided bombs with CCIP than you get from dropping 4x laser guided bombs. Its likely a lot safer to do that too.

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Please do not twist things. Staff insults were the rule break and all what the problem is here. You have been warned for it and the post removed. That’s all. Please simply take note moving forward.

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It’s useless it doesn’t even get fire and forget dead on arrival if you make it laser fire and forget it’s gone be ok or make it TV guided.

I mean that with 143 respawns, you have only 88 destroyed targets. I’m not really interested in your other excuses. For a supposed CAS king and ‘Pantsir’s terror,’ this looks unconvincing. Also, could you clarify how many flights you have on the Su-25SM3? I’m curious how many battles it took for you to conclude that the Kh-38 and the Mav are equivalent.

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