TORNADO IDS(germ and italy) BR should down to 10.7/10.7/10.0 AB/RB/GRB Due to recent changes(1 mach drop limit)
TORNADO IDS 1995/ASSTA1 BR should down to 10.7/10.7/10.3 AB/RB/GRB same reason or uptier The UK ONE TORNADO GR1 it way much better then germ and italy one (TV BOMB X4 and better unguide bomb 272KG/296kg germ italy/ uk)
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Ah yes, lets make the supersonic aircraft with 30g all aspect missiles the same BR as the F-4C, Su17, F104G, etc. And also for good measure lets put a tornado with a really good thermal pod and 4 GBUs at 10.3 in GRB. The only reason there are aircraft at 10.7 with aim 9L’s are because they’re slow and generally lack the ability to win fights, the tornado is not that lol.
Tornado A200 (new italian one), MFG and WTD61 are likely fine at their current Air BR of 11.3, especially with the MAJOR FM buffs it has gotten on the dev server.
Tornado Gr1, A200A and ASSTA1 should all be 11.3 alongside the earlier Tornados as they are identical in air modes or should get access to IRCCM missiles (Aim-9M or Aim-9Li respectively) to remain at their current BRs. 2xBOL on them wouldnt hurt either (100% confirmed to be equipped to the Tornado Gr1, but for sake of fairness add them to all 3)
Their current BRs are fine for all aircraft in ground modes (though actually modeling their ground radar would be a small boost) and ultimately they all need CBUs
Tornado Gr1 has both buffs and nerfs.
It does gain access to the PGMs (although no Brit is against these being added to the German and Italian equivalents, for some reason, Gaijin is just putting their foot down on this) but unlike the German and Italian Tornados with the Gen 2 Litening II pod, is stuck with TIALD which is currently modeled as Gen 1 (though should be Gen 2, a year old bug report in for that).
Yes the Tornado Gr1 gains access to the slightly more powerful Mk13 bombs (5 bombs per base kill) vs the Mk83 of the German and italian Tornados (6 bombs per base kill) the Tornado Gr1 also has the notably weaker Mk101 engines. It is the only Tornado IDS in-game with these weaker engines (100% “balancing decision” Tornado Gr1 did use the Mk103 engines). This means that whilst we can in theory take out 2.4 bases vs Germany/Italies 2.0 bases. We are also slower and have a lower rate of acceleration (personally I dont often bother running the full bomb load though) . Suggesting the Tornado Gr1 should be higher or is anyway “signficantly better” is just stupid with the current nerfs the Tornado Gr1 has.
NO! It was OP at 10.7 prior to the decompression.
It’d be OP even at 11.0 due to the decompression.
11.3 is fine for air RB.
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Honestly whatever you are smoking, I want some of it.
There is only one change that needs to be done with the tornados. The ASSTA 1, gr1 and whatever the Italian one is with guided bombs need to go to 11.3 for ARB and then remain where they are for GRB for a simple reason that Morvran has already stated which is they are literally the same for air to air stuff.
Do I consider the 11.3/11.7 tornados good. Hell no but if they go down it puts them in a fucking terrible position. Especially to 10.7, like what.
Is it that hard for you to open your air brake for 2 seconds. With the air brake open it will take you like 5 seconds to get below mach 1, then you drop your bombs then you are off again. Legit the speed that you can drop a bomb barely effects it especially when other aircraft have the same limitation.
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Dont even need to tap the airbrakes, just throttle down is enough. It was an annoying change though, I’ll give him that as its only about 0.02 mach lower than what the Tornado normally maxes out at with bombs
Yeah I can agree it is slightly annoying especially when the tornado with a bomb load goes just over it but in the end it is a limitation applied to all aircraft so people are just going to have to cope.
yeah, it is that last fact why I dont mind it at the moment (though waiting to see if the Su-24 is limited by the same restriction)
The engine defect of TORNADO GR1 is not big, but the advantage of TV bomb is very obvious.
if gaijin realy did it for all jet,there will no this posts. It’s clear that Gaijin did this on purpose, implementing the nerf a week after the half-price sale.
I didn’t buy the WTD61, but I have the MFG and I bought the talisman.
su24 dont use HE BOMB it got ZB500X7 it limit is 1.2 M in GRB it use KAB500/1500KR guide bomb or KAB-500S it using at high alt out of warzone so 1 m limit not a big thing。
But tornado unguide bomb it need close to warzone you will not wanna have a slow speed (when you got trash turn time and non Negative G）
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This issue mainly affects AIR Arcade.
You cannot slow down when you dive to drop bombs, even if you use speed brakes and reverse thrust.
This problem will seriously affect the bombing efficiency.
Due to its BR and mobility problems, efficiency is equal to life.Because there are so many radar missiles staring at you, even if you have 680 large-caliber jamming chaff strips.
This 👆 is the only right solution. Gaijin tries to mke Premium and Market Tornados to look better for your wallet which is dull for gameplay on other uptired Tornados.
Otherwise if greedy snail want to keep them different (through BRs), 11.7 Tornados should receive buffs like 4xAIM-9L