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Kind reminder to stay on topic and avoid politics.
thank you.
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The best solution to address the issue of vehicle ownership in the game is to introduce an Asia-Pacific line, developing a tech tree that includes Singapore, Thailand, Malaysia, Vietnam, and the Philippines. The reason for not considering South Korea and North Korea is that their relationship is even more sensitive than that of China and Japan
Japan as a tech tree needs equipment, so that idea is bad on that fact alone.
The other part is those nations collectively can’t produce a tech tree.
VT-4 in Thai service is not Chinese, and CM11 in Chinese service is not American.
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You’ve misunderstood the essence of the issue. Chinese players have no objection to the VT4 being added to Thailand, but they do object to its addition to Japan. When operating an international project, you must consider the conflicts between nations and ethnic groups. There are taboos in everything.
I believe there is a simplest method, which is to quickly add an Indonesian subtree for Japan and clearly position Thailand as a supplement to the Indonesian subtree, similar to the relationships between the UK, South Africa, and India. This way, there would be a valid reason for not including VT4 and Chinese vehicles in the Japanese tech tree.
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What about Thai players don’t you think about Thai player’s feeling at all? In comparison what is more reasonable between Chinese players feeling and Thai players feeling that the “Thai is currently using it and China has nothing to do with it at all” right? People in this forum care more about Chinese players not considering or even care about Thai players at all?
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Cool. Thai VT-4 on the way for the Japanese Research Tree.
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Now it’s up to whether Gaijin can withstand the protests from Chinese players. If they can hold out, adding the VT4 to the Thai tech tree shouldn’t be a major issue. If not… then it’s pretty much not happening.
If we set aside contradictions and conflicts, then I can only demand that Ukrainian vehicles be incorporated into Russia, since the technology of the T-84 (Object 478) originates from the Soviet T-80UD. This is very reasonable.
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I think the difference here is that Thailand is not included because it “was part of Japan”, but because these are friendly nations to the point that Thai players in the modern day support the addition.
Modern day players of a nation are the most important point to consider, because they are the ones that want to play their nation in game the most, and with an active conflict in Ukraine this part might be problematic.
Now in a hypothetical scenario where this conflict ends and the addition of Ukraine to the Russian tree would gain support from Ukranian players, then it would be comparable.
And in that case I can’t say they aren’t allowed to get Leopards just because German relations to Russia are bad, because those are Ukranian tanks now, not German.
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But having said that, I only agree with Gaijin adding a Thai VT-4, but that doesn’t mean I won’t accept changes to how it is done.
Personally I think the subtree system is flawed and doesn’t give these nations enough of their own national identity.
Subtrees should be given individual research trees under their own flag and nation, to be seen as equal to other nations.
No nation should be “under” another, the subtree system should represent a cooperation of partner nations, not ownership.
If the condition for the Thai VT-4 is waiting for these changes I am all for it.
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Except Ukraine and Russia do not have good relations. The whole point of a subtree comes down to relations. Ukraine was a colony of USSR, and has been in conflict with Russia for over a decade.
Whereas Thailand has been an ally of Japan and has held pretty close relations since WW2.
Using one Ukrainian vehicle as a basis for a subtree is dumb. Not to mention that the USSR does not need a subtree- they are the most bloated nation in the game and have so many possible vehicles still addable for every tier. Ukraine does nothing for the Soviet tree.
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VT-4 is in use by Thailand and Japan is getting Thai subtree, there is absolutely no reason to not add it.
Other nations also have subtrees, all of it is extremely simple to understand.
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The only change for the Thai VT-4 I’d accept is an ASEAN tree, but then you’d have to move 15 vehicles from JPN to that tree. Nevermind the fact ASEAN would be filled with copy and paste.
Oh 100%. The subtree system does need a rework, and even Gaijin has taken notice. They don’t even use the name “subtree” anymore.
But until that happens, Thailand is a subtree of Japan and all Thai vehicles should go to Thailand.
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I meant the changes to the subtree system here.
The ASEAN tree would’ve been nice, but I think it’s too late for that.
Not only because Thailand is already in game somewhere else, but also because subtrees for nations like Britain have established a level of potential for nations to meet that if this was done neither ASEAN nor Japan could reach.
That being said I would absolutely play it if they added it. The idea of grouped techtrees like this is what originally got me excited when subtrees were first announced and it’d be nice to have a set theme throughout instead of “nation + theme” we have now (Britain + Commonwealth, France + BeNeLux, etc.)
I think they haven’t used it in a long time. I can’t even find the original anymore since it was before the official release of South Africa.
It just caught on with players, that’s the only reason it’s used.
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adding VT4 to the japanese tree creates a political element. and that’s what many chinese players are trying to point out. That is the point they are trying to make.
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In some matters, Sino-Japanese relations are even worse than the examples you cited.
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Then I will keep replying with this message until those people understand.
What about Thai players don’t you think about Thai player’s feeling at all? In comparison what is more reasonable between Chinese players feeling and Thai players feeling that the “Thai is currently using it and China has nothing to do with it at all” right? People in this forum care more about Chinese players not considering or even care about Thai players at all?
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