Subtrees should not be lesser nations. They should be equals, and treated like their own nation. There is nothing that gives US, Chinese or even Japanese players the right to have their vehicles in one place, but not nations like Thailand, Hungary or Finland.
But I do think subtree nations should get their own research tree, under their own national flag and name. This is just one of many things I think need to be improved with subtrees implememtation.
At least, there is no hatred between China and the United States
The subtrees for ground are more or less used to give struggeling nations leopards(italy)
VT4 joined Japan in the same way that a Middle Eastern country’s vehicles joined Israel or Ukrainian tanks joined Russia. This is a very sensitive issue.You can’t just ignore these reasons just because you don’t care about the historical legacy of the East.
This is not about “hypocrisy” at all — the real issue is that it hurts the feelings of players.
There is no such deep conflict between the US and China, but there is a serious historical and political conflict between China and Japan.
If American players believe there is an issue between the US and China, they can always raise it in a separate discussion.
But forcing Chinese-designed vehicles into Japan’s tree ignores this reality entirely, and will naturally cause backlash from Chinese players.
Not that simple, for reference:
To be honest, when I saw Leopards all over the game, I really felt a little too monotonous.
Yet at the same time China has Vietnamese vehicles even though they have an interesting history and China likes bullying them irl.
So again, every tree has vehicles like that. It’s just that Chinese players really believe in the “rules for thee but not for me” mindset, that they should get special treatment.
The only positive for the chinese playerbase is when this will be implemented is that other players will see its shortcomings
Koreans are no different (atleast some) when it comes to adding them to japan…
Looks like you really have no understanding of history. Do you actually know how the “Vietnamese” T-34 AA in the game came to be? It is a direct product of Chinese aid — a Soviet chassis fitted with Chinese twin 37 mm guns. Without China’s direct involvement, it simply wouldn’t exist.
Yeah, it’s a shame really. Nations like Hungary for example have much more to them than just a free Leopard, Gaijin just don’t use that potential.
I mean if it were Thai people that were against the Thai sub tree for Japan I would have had a different opionion, but these are people that have nothing to do with it. If they didn’t want Chinese vehicles in other trees maybe they should have pressured their government not to export anything.
It’s time for these people to open their eyes that they have massive double standards instead of participating in the mental gymnastics world cup 2025.
Bully? Until now, there are almost a thousand armored vehicles from China in the Vietnamese army. China has given Vietnam countless help in the past (even during China’s most difficult times), and the Vietnam AA of the Chinese TT also relied on China’s assistance to exist.
If the “standard” for Middle Eastern vehicles and Ukrainian vehicles still exists, then the opinion of Chinese players is not a “double standard”.
The difference is there is no such standard. Gaijin chooses not to engage with these, but don’t openly refuse it. They avoid the issue altogether in a way that cannot be proven to be a political move, since simply not adding them is not necessarily political. Denying them would be however.
For the Thai VT-4, the equivalent is not to deny the VT-4, but to add another tank in its place without directly denying it. It wouldn’t need to be added, but the denial would make it political and unfair towards Thai players.
This comparison should be China and Japan. Comparing Thailand and Japan together is distorting the question. Do you think the Middle Easterners will agree to the addition of foreign-made Middle Eastern weapons to Israel?
Why should it be China and Japan. Your government approved exports of the VT-4 to Thailand. As soon as they got handed over Chinese WT players lost any right to complain over where they get placed.
Same that when as soon as the US handed over the M1A2T to Taiwan, US WT players lost any right to complain where it would be placed.
And again, something something comparing current or recent conflict to something from 80 years ago.
You and I both know that the official has some concerns on this issue, and the source of this concern is obviously reality. At the same time, I don’t think it’s “unfair” to lose a tank, VT4 doesn’t have to join China, I’ve never said that. I mean VT4 don’t join Japan. Even from a purely gaming point of view, the T-84 is clearly better suited to the role of a “tank” than the VT4.
Why lost right to complain? Its fair to complain and stay mad when they add this… I would like to see in the subtree…