Top Tier Sweden Air is pretty problematic

Again the F4F isn’t anything new though? Its a tale as old as time itself. Sweden using JA37D against Mig 29 and F16, italy with F104 vs F4E and Mig 21 ect ect. The F4F was in a better spot compared to the other vehicles as it had a radar that was on par with the same weapons as its opponents. This wasn’t true for the Tornado or Viggen though which was for an entire year. (Also flareless J35D vs Mig 21 and F4E so again the F4F was never the worst top tier jet.)

Again this wasn’t a new problem but it was handled much better than in prior years imo. Still id like gaijin to avoid such problems if possible since id rather no nation get left behind.

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The F4Fs are good

Why do you think it was ever bad

From people complaining back when it was Germanys top vehicle. Which they ignored that outside of it just being a meh chassis it was on par with its opponents from Radar, RWR, and weapons. The F4F only got stronger when it got unjustly put to 13.0 against far weaker vehicles, it was never a bad vehicle. It was simply just forced to fight against better chassis’ for a few months before more decompression and similar worse vehicles were added for it to fight at its own BR.

The F4F gets bad wrap because people only say its bad because they remember when it was first added and it may have been their primary nation which = worst experience compared to all other nations.

now yes, before I wouldn’t say so.

it was Definitely not the worst though, remember the Tornado F.3 late was at 13.3…

what was different im not recalling

i thought (depending on version) gripen ng/e gets 3 extra belly pylons, don’t think it gets more wing pylons. fairly sure it’s stuck with 4 wing pylons

Its 9 missiles total with 3 belly pylons, the wings should stay the same iirc. 3 on each wing with 3 belly pylons.

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Top tier was 13.7, which was much less favourable for 13.0s as it meant they were getting more uptiers.
The increase in 12.7 ish premiums also means that the 13.0 matchmaker is quite favourable now, especially with how they can no longer face 14.3s

It was 13.3 on launch btw

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How about that add a danish or Norwegian f16

Sweden has been pretty darn overpowered ever since the day it was added up to this day. From having the better rounds (non historical btw) on shared armament (such as swedish bk27 cannon using good anti air ammo while british and german bk27 has only AP-T) to having planes tank sparrows and still make it back to base like the J35s which are basically flying fuel tanks surrounding an engine that can push the draken to beyond f104 speeds, that never happen to either catch fire or blow up or lose engine power. J21R’s pull energy out of their wazoo completely laughing at F80s, plus their damage model STILL only affects their tail and engine keeping the wings completely attached despite blacking them out. J23s are basically Hunters a whole BR lower, the Viggens laugh at MiG23MLD’s while also being lower in BR despite having better armament, better radar and better brute flight performance and better damage model. Let’ s also not forget how they kept the Gripen STILL up to this day the best dogfighter, and it’s nerfs only made it slightly less boring to play.

And many Swedish stuff have underpowered stuff on top of that compared to historical. Strv 122s currently have too powerful of round, but the 121 has ammo it never fired weaker than it’s current ammo. Strv 103s could have a reload as low as 2.5 seconds for their 105mm. Many 20mm Swedish planes, especially the jets like the A32A, get a-historically weak ammo with their air target belts firing “SAP” that has no AP value, default firing HE shells that were WW2 era, and lacking their accurate '50s mine shells they would have fired. J37C would have entered service with RB74s, RB24Js were obsolete; D was upgraded for AMRAAMs, not the DI. From my understanding, the entire Swedish tech tree is just riddled with historical inaccuracies that occasionally buff Sweden like 10% of the time (like DM53), but it nerfs them 90% of the time with unhistorical armaments and stuff. Which doesn’t seem to be corrected, because sadly even as a soviet main personally, they’re not going to get buffed because they’re not Russian so they’re not going to get accurate buffs to what they were equipped with. They should be historically accurate, and if it buffs them, then their BR should represent it.

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Cope post? I’ma need proof for the Draken cause that’s actually just wrong. I have a video of me getting hit and you can see my engine speed just dropping after getting hit lmao.

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