I was talking in terms of production, not refurbishment. As Russia isn’t refurbishing T-14s, that should’ve been apparent to you.
T-14: roughly $9 million usd
T-90M: roughly $4.5 million usd
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There is no decent source for the price of a t90m let alone a t-14(which there is no real standard for).
Russia doesn’t differ between refurbished and new tanks when publishing production numbers
The number of tanks varies between 30 and 60 units; if we’re being conservative with the numbers, we could say 30 to 40, which is already the number of operational Leopard 2A7s Germany has. And yes, the T-14 is much more expensive than a T-90M and much more difficult to produce.
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damn thats 30% of their whole armata stockpile in one photograph.
itself is based on a lineage of failed prototypes starting with object 187, which is basically a taller T72 that they really should have pursued over the t90.
the tank is also pretty much guaranteed to never see real adoption as its twice as expensive as a T90 and russia cant afford that right now with current events
wrong, shadow fleet is keeping the economy up
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That’s a realistic number, that doesnt really take into account the fact that a vast number of these tanks are built to different standards though.
Every leopard 2a7 is built to the same standard.
T14 has no production line and it shows in the tanks we have footage off.
And comparing Germany military spending to Russian military spending even back when the original 2a7 batches were delivered doesn’t paint a great picture for Russian procurement
It’s helping, but there is no “up”.
do you really expect a economy to go up in war time ?
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No, but there are people genuinely believing that late wartime economy is doing good for Russia.
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Yes, yes, UralVagonZavod doesn’t have a production line for the T-14, and they aren’t standardized. I believe that’s why they weren’t accepted as standardized vehicles, only as prototype test vehicles. I hope that when that’s over we’ll have news about the T-14. Another problem is that Russia has several different vehicles to modernize and produce.
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The main issue for the t14 is that there is virtually no need or use for it. It’s paper capabilities are propaganda(like it’s pretty absurd what they claim it’s capable off) and it’s real capabilities are unlikely to be any good compared to just cranking out t90m which is plenty good for what Russia needs right now.
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its honestly a shame that worse cheaper vehicles is what they need. at least when things are over and stockpiles are gone they are going to be forced to start new, starting new is a strength everyone forgets to realise far too often
You can’t modernize whilst suffering extreme equipment attrition.
They needed to modernize their ground fleet decades ago, now they’re stuck with t90m and ever worse bmp3
I would say that in the current combat scenario it’s not useful, and would only serve as a target for drones. I don’t doubt its capabilities; it’s an expensive and modern vehicle, which is why it’s not produced. But we only know its true capabilities when we see it in action. The T90M has proven its worth, and the T90M2 is coming to correct some of the vehicle’s flaws, such as its reverse speed.
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You should to a degree, it claims to be essentially invulnerable, if the propaganda was real it wouldn’t be a free target for drones as ou Say, It claims to be able to shoot down missiles with the roof mg.
reminde me of how its was after ww2, debt will be insane, at least russia got debt lesson.
modernizing old mbt is a cheaper than building one from scrap.
yeah sure. we gotta learn from the britz.
very true
and every military is guilty of not modernising sufficiently and fast enough, they arent alone in this
It really hasn’t, it’s just the easiest thing to produce.
T80s have consistently outperformed t72 and t90s.