So I finally made it to the su27sm thanks to all the grinding during the event. But what exactly is the state of Russia air up here right now?
Our ARH missles have at least half it not even worse range than aim120, forcing us to use SARH for long range engagements, which is fine 1v1, but 16v16, the ability to attack multiple targets at once with ARH is just superior.
And honestly in my expierence this isn’t even worst thing, our radars are ass outside some goofy vehicles like the yak141, and the biggest problem I have is the HMD which would be our saving grace, is again only half of nato at 10km which is half our effective range, meaning we have to do weird shit like swap from IRST HMD to PD, but half the time you do that you end up locking onto a false signiture in the air the IRST left you locked onto when switching.
Will russia ever get a competitive ARH with 120? That isn’t going to leapfrog and cause the same situation in the inverse? Will they ever get a better HMD? Or are we stuck with 10km forever?
Probably not. BVR was never what the soviets/Russians were good at and until we see PESA radars added to the game, then the soviets wont even begin to catch up in that regard and even then, will still likely be worse to the AESA and late mechanical radars used by NATO.
Dont forget, Aim-120A/B is underperforming a lot and we can still get many more variants of the Aim-120, not too mention even more advanced missiles like Meteor.
Soon, the meta nations will be the european nations with the Typhoon, Rafale and Gripen. There isnt much US or USSR have that will truly compete with them. In most regards, the USSR will be inferior to them.
Ya and the problem is gaijin can’t really put these soviet ARH carriers any lower in BR otherwise they would club (you know like the f14 does). It’s crazy how much compression there is in air at 13.7, you could probably draw everything out here between 13.7 and 14.7
Perhaps. Id still quite confidently argue that the Su-27 would beat something like the Tornado F3 late / F4F ICE quite readily, despite the fact they both have better radars and Aim-120. So its not quite as simple as “Su-27SM + R-77s = bad”
I dont think a decompression at top tier would actually do all that much to lower the BR of the Su-27SM, probably only 1 stop lower than the F-15C. and whilst R-77s are worse in some respects than Aim-120. THey are better in others and I think the universally accepted worse ARH missiels are actually the R-Darter/Derby missiles.
F-14A… is tricky. It does have limitations that mean it can be a lower BR (namely Aim-9Gs and poor FM) and Aim-54s aren’t that hard to defeat if you know what you are doing. Just most dont and the F-14A just sees premium players that dont defend.
I would disagree mainly because r77-1m does perform close to the m AMRAM-D and for the missiles like meteor Russians do have r37m which is able to hit fighter size targets from like 130 km away
Not sure where this comes from, also the more we go forward with technology the more China becomes relevant. I also wouldn’t count off the Su-35 and its variants completely although it does have PESA and not AESA. This doesn’t mean that EU nations won’t be competitive, but it won’t just be them ofc.
R-77-1 ( the one with the extra booster) would be the only pick for now.
I sincerely hope it’s being considered by the devs, it would level the playing field a lot
depends on what they will do. They might give better BVR missiles to US and russia and current/worser to Europeans on their planes(Typhoon and etc. so, for example, Benelux F-16 will have better than “European” missiles.)
Giving better versions of planes also might work, like a F-22, but might be trouble of balance, but actually it can compete with rafale in WVR fight, but in bvr… well just better
The BR system needs to be leveraged. NATO’s best outshines Russia/China’s best? That’s fine. Put them at a BR that appropriately represents the power gap like 14.3+ Pretty much every spamraam carrier needs to go up in BR significantly. I am confident in saying that my AV-8B+ at 13.0 is significantly deadlier at air to air combat than my 27SM at 13.7. The current BRs are a sick joke.
The previous meta was defined by short range Fox-2 furballs since strong mutipathing made it trivial for anyone to faceroll their way into the merge. USA and Sweden held the most meta position with a footnote that Russia had the better SARH. Russia was worse in every other more important metric.
sweden? with the worst top tier , with no countermeasures? jesus your opinions are realy bad.
the mig29s arent that old yet, and the gripens are still rather new jesus. its like 2 metaphases where the russia didnt dominate. And even with furballs russia was still strong since the su27s do have good dog fighting performance and the r-73 pulls hard
Fact is the mig29 dominated the meta with bvr battle pretty much until the fox 3 patch
and totaly dominated when rank 8 got introduced for like 3 patches until f-16s got their new flight model
Sweden was the last patch’s king. They had the best flight model, 9M’s, and tons of countermeasures. That’s what mattered. R-27ER was a footnote in the strong multipath era. That’s why not one single person touched the Flanker with a 12 foot pole during the twitch Esports tournaments: Radar guided weapons were garbage when they were so trivial to defeat.
buddy did i deny that? russia still was meta relevant thats a fact not having the best aircraft automaticaly makes them dogshit
they dont need to be the best all the time. russia was the best in first or second place for a VERY long time.
it doesnt hurt them to be none meta for a while
Yes, the Su-27SM is sub-par for BVR compared to even Mig-29SMT.
Su-27SM is only really better at WVR currently which is why I won’t play it nor the J-11A and standard Su-27.
R-77 is suffering from death wobble more than other ARHs as the primary issue.
