Let me use your logic to explain how wrong your claim is.
If T-90M is upgraded T-90 then all Abrams model are just upgraded base M1 which was entered service in 1980.
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T-90 is quite new though? Relatively speaking. Also, yes all of the abrams models are upgrades from the original M1… that is literally true just as it’s true the T-90M is an upgrade of the T-90.
No its not.
Those Abrams models recieved significant upgrades that they became entirely new tank, the only thing they share with base M1 is general design and same engine, nothing more.
Same method also applies to T-90M, both tanks only share same hull design while T-90M offers superior:
-protection
-reaction time
-awareness
-mobility
-survivability
-new turret design
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nah
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This is the most circular thread ever
“Top tier US is pre 1995”
“Well actually this variant is from 200x”
“It’s only an upgrade to a 90s vehicle”
“Then this 2000s Russian vehicle is from 199x cause it’s also an upgrade”
“No these upgrades basically make it new vehicle”
“So do the upgrades in the 200x variant”
“No, they’re only X changes while that’s Y changes”
Blah blah blah blah blah
Blah blah blah blah blah
Repeat ad infinitum
Also why are you guys arguing with Russian vehicles when there’s every other nation which have completely new vehicles from like 2015.
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wasn’t it just the ERA that was placed differently and the part for the ammo that was also added?
basically the same turret except for the extra external parts that make it bigger.
the “base” looks pretty much just a normal t90 turret
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T-90M < Abrams. There you go. Introduction dates don’t matter, the older M1A2 SEP is better than the new T-90M.
Making an argument that the US needs to be buffed because of the age of their vehicles is “older” compared to other nations is not the way to go.
You gotta compare it’s capabilities. I believe ARB is pretty balanced (maybe Sweden is a bit underwhelming?). GRB is what I have an issue with. Even then, it’s not that bad
The SepV3(still uses the A2), should’ve been added when the 2A7 and T-90M was introduced. Instead we got a copy paste SepV1 with roof tiles.
The AGM-84 should’ve been added along with the Hammer. The Mavericks is like a relic compared to other agms at top tier.
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Buddy there’s no concrete evidence that says that, there’s a name of some unknown person that claims it somewhat offers similar level of protection, no tests have been made nor they’ve made a video of it. Also you’ve not brought a proof of your claims that the Army did not make any hull improvements from the base M1 to the SEPV2, still waiting…
According to you of course.
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I like how you say unknown when it was a claimrd by a then VP for GDLS
Also we can debate all we want about Abrams hull when this was addressed back in 2023. Unless you found definitive evidence to support improved hull armor prior to SEPV3
Pretty much what you would expect from US Mains though
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Arguing about something that’s classified is like pouring water in a desert, also now it’s time to see if Gaijoob going to add the NGAP to the SEPV3 and fix the turret ring which would help alot and make the Abrams worth the grind.
Please, I implore you to argue on how the T-90M > Abrams.
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SEP V3 and T-80BVM Mod 23 can 100% be in the game by now, as long as the SEP V3 doesn’t introduce anything OP.
While it would give the US an equal to the HAMMER/KH-38, I believe this shouldn’t be added until the SPAA problem is resolved. Even then, the Mav is still 100% workable.
Mav at low tiers is still usable, but at Top Tier its literal dogshit.
It gets NGAP.
A simple answer: Armor.
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It is 100% not dogshit, this is user error. If you want to learn how to use them watch this guy: https://www.youtube.com/@Kai_TG
Whats the estimated added protection?
This is literally the one advantage of the T-90M. Cherry-picking that does not make the T-90M better than the Abrams.
Swedish tanks are not the best because of their reload nor their mobility.
I need to check people that got the exact protection, but it would make the Abrams competitive against 2A7,T90M,B+.
It is dogshit compared to AASM,KH38MT,KH29…etc
Also this guy stated that if there’s a Pantsir he wouldn’t do all that.
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They are the best because they combine everything. Competitive reload, good reverse, good mobility, amazing armor. The T-90M has 1 of those traits.
Then watch what he does when there is a a Pantsir.
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I’d trade mobility,reload for good armor when it comes to the Abrams.
Oblivious Pantsir player.
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