My claims are not against you, they are against your posts.
By using double standards to make a country look stronger based on the year system which everyone knows means nothing, that is defending the country your post is making look stronger.
If you don’t want to have your posts interpreted that way, use the same standards for vehicles.
Do not claim year matters.
And I see Ladies is still calling every American they come across names.
If you’re American then i’m Indian.
Never did
Maybe you’re defending russia….
Yeah bro that’s why i’m indian.
If going off “build date” which imo makes the most sense instead of base models.
T-90M is still 2010s tank. And all the M1A2 are 90’s, maybe some built early 2000s
Whereas F-15C is still late 70’s/early 80’s spec in airframe. And F-15E is early/mid 90’s
Su-30sm still 2010s jet, and with Su-27SM getting better engines I think that is late 2000s or 2010s spec too
@LiquidGod750-live
The BR system is the balancing mechanism.
The top BR ground for ground vehicles is already balanced* among all tech trees.
The only imbalance currently is CAS where F-15E/I, Rafale, Su-30 all control the air, with Typhoon being a runner up.
Here’s one fact: If vehicle A is older than vehicle B, and vehicle A is the same BR or higher, vehicle A is superior.
If vehicle A is newer than vehicle B, and the BR of vehicle A is the same BR, it is on-par with vehicle B.
If vehicle A is newer than vehicle B and a higher BR, then vehicle A is superior to vehicle B.
@quartas121
T-90M hulls are T-72A hulls with heavy modification. T-90M turrets are entirely new.
SEP2 hulls are M1 hulls with heavy modification. SEP2 turrets are entirely new.
Su-30SM uses engines developed in the late 1980s and first flew in the early 1990s before India continued funding in the 2000s.
F-15E uses engines that were fitted in the late 2000s early 2010s, and uses a radar fitted in the 2000s.
All T-90Ms prior to 2022 were built from refurbished T-90 hulls because Russia didn’t restart that capability until something happened in 2022
Su-30SM was built new, but this is really just a domestic version of the indian Su-30 from 2002
Su-27SM was an MLU program from the early 2000s, I have no clue how old the program is, because I have seen it being referred to forum post as early as 2005
M1A2 with Crows got introduced around 2008 IIRC?
Uh yeah but what about the turret? That’s literally like a third of the tanks weight iirc, and is what makes it new buuld
Yeah, the turrets being entirely new is what makes them new build vehicles
F-15E engines fitted in early 1990s, radar from 80’s
Modified T-90A turrets
Which were first made in 2010s, and are a very major change to the tank “frame”
T-90A got introduced as early as 2006
Yeah and F-15E was introduced in 80’s but I said it was 90’s airframe bc the engines (which are big part of airframe) were fitted in 90’s
The F-15E doesn’t use PW-220s, they use PW-229s which only began fitting in the 2000s, not 1990s.
Production of PW-229s began in the 1990s.
F-16C BLK 52 production began in 1992 and it uses PW-229 so PW-229 was in production in or before 1992
almost everything you list is upgrades of older vehicles…
the T-80BVM for example is basically a mid 1970s tank with a new FCS and new ERA.
Same with the Abrams.
The M1A1HC, M1A2 and up magically gain 200mm of kinetic protection with the same armour lay out, if that’s not DU what is it?
That is a good summery of Russia in the 1990s to 2000s, the USSR collapsed in 1991 and Russian military development basically stopped until the early 2000s. For example the R-77 was only ever produced in large numbers for export, the Russian air force basically used the R-27s until the R-77-1 became available in 2015.
And that’s the root cause of the issue, the collapse of the USSR put Russia back 15 to 20 years is its R&D and the game is not balanced on date of service.
Then again the Su-30 is a Su-27…
Noooooo! it’s a totally new design!!!111111
Wow. You’ve seen it here first folks. The Challenger and Leclerc are better than the Abrams now!
