All T-90Ms prior to 2022 were built from refurbished T-90 hulls because Russia didn’t restart that capability until something happened in 2022
Su-30SM was built new, but this is really just a domestic version of the indian Su-30 from 2002
Su-27SM was an MLU program from the early 2000s, I have no clue how old the program is, because I have seen it being referred to forum post as early as 2005
M1A2 with Crows got introduced around 2008 IIRC?
Uh yeah but what about the turret? That’s literally like a third of the tanks weight iirc, and is what makes it new buuld
Yeah, the turrets being entirely new is what makes them new build vehicles
F-15E engines fitted in early 1990s, radar from 80’s
Modified T-90A turrets
Which were first made in 2010s, and are a very major change to the tank “frame”
T-90A got introduced as early as 2006
Yeah and F-15E was introduced in 80’s but I said it was 90’s airframe bc the engines (which are big part of airframe) were fitted in 90’s
The F-15E doesn’t use PW-220s, they use PW-229s which only began fitting in the 2000s, not 1990s.
Production of PW-229s began in the 1990s.
F-16C BLK 52 production began in 1992 and it uses PW-229 so PW-229 was in production in or before 1992
almost everything you list is upgrades of older vehicles…
the T-80BVM for example is basically a mid 1970s tank with a new FCS and new ERA.
Same with the Abrams.
The M1A1HC, M1A2 and up magically gain 200mm of kinetic protection with the same armour lay out, if that’s not DU what is it?
That is a good summery of Russia in the 1990s to 2000s, the USSR collapsed in 1991 and Russian military development basically stopped until the early 2000s. For example the R-77 was only ever produced in large numbers for export, the Russian air force basically used the R-27s until the R-77-1 became available in 2015.
And that’s the root cause of the issue, the collapse of the USSR put Russia back 15 to 20 years is its R&D and the game is not balanced on date of service.
Then again the Su-30 is a Su-27…
Noooooo! it’s a totally new design!!!111111
Wow. You’ve seen it here first folks. The Challenger and Leclerc are better than the Abrams now!
He’s not lying though, try to prove him wrong.
I did mention the turret ring spot, maybe try to read few times then reply to my comments next time.
well for one, the T-90M in game is Obr. 2017. Also this game does not care about intro dates, only capabilities
Which T90M capabilities are superior to the SEPV2s that introduced in 2008 but comes with armor from the 80’s.
None? That’s the thing, the russians lagged behind weapon development because of the collapse of the Soviet union. Also calling SEP V2 having armor from the 80s is hilariously misleading when incremental upgrade of Composite inserts happened between, guess what SEPs
The hull didn’t get any upgrade whatsoever, any top tier shell can go through like butter.
None of the SEPs that got added did any good to the US tech tree, just more tank to waste time on grinding but in the end you find out that they’re worse than the previous ones.
I’d say the best Abrams is the M1A1.
Because US focused on Turret upgrades because the Abrams was made to defend the Fulda in prepared defensive positions, also the fact that they have been fighting insurgencies means they never had a reason to upgrade except improving durability (ergo multihit capabilities) of the DU inserts instead of actual armor value
Blame the US for not giving Abrams improved hull until the SEPV3
Ah yes, you’d know better than the country that spends 20mill dollars per tank, and billions on their ground units.
The armor that’s ingame is based on export models, non of them is the actual armor that’s in the actual tank, DU gets removed and anyother armor that’s classified just like the version that been sent to Ukraine not having the armor it should get, but that didn’t stop it from performing better than their counterparts.
