You guys love to cry about Mobility when that’s how it is in real life, but when an Abrams enjoyer complain about the turret ring you guys stick your noses in.
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I agree with this. When playing top tier the Abrams is everywhere. To the point that when fighting them it is instinctive muscle memory to pop them in the turret ring. Meanwhile I rarely see an Ariete. And I have flubbed up what should be an easy kill because I forget where to shoot them.
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If you think the turret ring is supposed to stop full-calibre APFSDS you are sorrowly mistaken.
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It’s the same problem as always, the M60 Rise’s ERA is not modeled correctly, since that ERA seems to be the Israeli Super Blazer, which is the same one that the Slovak T-55S has, which apart from protection against CE ammunition, also has some protection against KE ammunition. Apart from that, the M60 Rise should be able to use the M833 by date.
yeah but we dont ask for that we ask for turret ring to be able to resist against low caliber apfsds like the 2s38 or OTOmatic as the turret ring armor was rated like that with sources that i dont think ill scroll through bug report to try to find
I will 100% agree with the turret ring being fixed against autocannons, don’t get me wrong. But a lot of people say the turret ring should be impenetrable by full calibre APFSDS.
Turret ring estimates are 200mm or less, not the 250mm+ needed to resist 2S38.
It’s supposed to be like the Leopard’s turret ring, SPAAs and light vehicles wouldn’t be able to disable the turret ring that easy, 200mm of protection is more than enough.
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yeah but in game all m1a2s and m1a1HC have armor based on the swedish trials of m1a2 which had non-DU inserts that were said to be worse than the DU armor of the time
I don’t understand why people seem to believe that we expect the correct turret ring to make it immune to main gun APFSDS…
Just making it resistant to autocanons would be a blessing already. Being killed by PUMA and BMP-2M autocanons and alikes frontally because of that artificial weakspot just isn’t cool.
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Hahahah I still remember when I made that.
The Abrams and anyone who supports any fixes for them or has any legitimate concerns are generally so despised and looked down on and I hate it so much…
That being said, there’s lots of special forces who definitely don’t help our cases by stating some outlandish claims (like that the Abrams is the worst MBT in the game, or that even M1A1 should have 3BM60-proof hull armor, I’ve seen that too many times over here), but still.
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arent the estimates like 200-300mm?
if so that wont stop full caliber but will stop autocannons but more importantly it should reduce the spalling
Ohhh im abraming it, im abraming it sooo good
FOR MERICA🦅🔥🇺🇸🔫
iirc its around ~250mm something
You are not listening!
This isn’t about me!
It’s about the thousands of tanks [GAIJIN] nerfed, and the countless other MBTs [GAIJIN] destroyed.
Why is [GAIJIN] above historical accuracy? Why does [GAIJIN] never fix their inaccuracies?
Where is [GAIJIN] when people are trying to fix their tanks with bug reports!?
What do I want…? I wa… I want corrections! I want fixes! I. WANT. [GAIJIN].
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The USMC did not use Blazer, it is a domestic ERA (M1/M2). Super Blazer was produced after Desert Storm anyways, so it couldn’t have been equipped on USMC M60s. And yes, it should have M833 timeline wise, but that is the point I am making. Balance takes priority over introduction date, which is why we don’t have 120C-5 vs R-77 or M60A1 RISE P vs T-80U.
WHERE IS SEKRET DOCUMENT, WHERE IS IT?
SEKRET DOCUMENT ILL obtain YOU
YOU CLASSIFIED PAPERS ILL obtain YOU
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its crazy how people dont notice that the “M1A2 SEPv2” in game has export armor from the 90’s with values from the Swedish tank trials, which I remember seeing statements that the export armor was worse than the DU armor it replaced.
so what gaijin claims is a SEPv2 is actually an export m1a2 from the 90s with TUSK v2
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