This is not counting the fact that the AV-8B Plus is a carrier of the AIM-120C, especially the C-5 and C-7 versions
And initially it had the AIM-120B and never had the AIM-120A. Yes, it should also have the AIM-9X (Block I) and (Block II)
And the one presented in the game is the first version of the Harriera from the 90s, with an old radar and a set of weapons.
I played the M1IP at 12.3 and the T-90M at 12.0, and I can say the T-90M is a worse tank. Its only benefit is armor, which is worthless when you consider it can’t hide its weaknesses like a Leopard can. (ie, Hull-Down Combat).
As Renzo said, the T-90M is only decent because the people fighting you have no idea what to do and hit the thickest part of the tank.
Ariete
Introduction dates are subordinate to balance considerations, because at the end of the day War Thunder is still a video game. We don’t have AIM-120C-5 vs R-77-1 for the same reason that the M60A1 RISE P with ERA from 1988 is a lower BR than the T-64A from 1977.
Ariete suffer yeah but Abrams isnt that hard to kill
No tank is hard to kill at top tier, they are all pretty much 1 shot kill
Let’s argue differently there:
US.military funds are big as the 25 following country 20+ of which are allied.
And you expect to have same age weapons when it’s clearly like Germany in WW2? (Meaning that USA is in advance compared to all others)
You thought that it would be balanced? But it wouldn’t.
I see from times to times, people asking for newer stuff because X or Y country does have a “201x” tank or aircraft,… in the meantime no one checks for what makes the current Game balance → Bare performances of said vehicule.
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People go through GREAT lenghts here to invent a reason to victimise themselves out of sheer boredom and small mindedness
Ironically I one shot kill Abrams tanks a lot more easy than Arietes after the turret basket nerf, but that mostly has to do with me I think.
If I shoot an Abrams in the turret ring with a 500mm+ pen dart it just dies, turret ring is just where I aim against the Abrams 70-80% of the time. If I see an Ariete I usually just shoot it anywhere, which usually causes the spall liners to fuck me over sometimes.
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You guys love to cry about Mobility when that’s how it is in real life, but when an Abrams enjoyer complain about the turret ring you guys stick your noses in.
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I agree with this. When playing top tier the Abrams is everywhere. To the point that when fighting them it is instinctive muscle memory to pop them in the turret ring. Meanwhile I rarely see an Ariete. And I have flubbed up what should be an easy kill because I forget where to shoot them.
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If you think the turret ring is supposed to stop full-calibre APFSDS you are sorrowly mistaken.
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It’s the same problem as always, the M60 Rise’s ERA is not modeled correctly, since that ERA seems to be the Israeli Super Blazer, which is the same one that the Slovak T-55S has, which apart from protection against CE ammunition, also has some protection against KE ammunition. Apart from that, the M60 Rise should be able to use the M833 by date.
yeah but we dont ask for that we ask for turret ring to be able to resist against low caliber apfsds like the 2s38 or OTOmatic as the turret ring armor was rated like that with sources that i dont think ill scroll through bug report to try to find
I will 100% agree with the turret ring being fixed against autocannons, don’t get me wrong. But a lot of people say the turret ring should be impenetrable by full calibre APFSDS.
Turret ring estimates are 200mm or less, not the 250mm+ needed to resist 2S38.
It’s supposed to be like the Leopard’s turret ring, SPAAs and light vehicles wouldn’t be able to disable the turret ring that easy, 200mm of protection is more than enough.
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yeah but in game all m1a2s and m1a1HC have armor based on the swedish trials of m1a2 which had non-DU inserts that were said to be worse than the DU armor of the time
I don’t understand why people seem to believe that we expect the correct turret ring to make it immune to main gun APFSDS…
Just making it resistant to autocanons would be a blessing already. Being killed by PUMA and BMP-2M autocanons and alikes frontally because of that artificial weakspot just isn’t cool.
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