big mantlet slow and bad armor profile overall already make it worse than Abrams
it is strong, but the premium 1 tankers ruin it
There are values; +250% CE for SEP and SEPv2’s turret sides, for example. Yet here we are.
And regarding the rest (KE)? Well, that’s where GUESSTIMATIONS come in play. Those which are fine with most modern tanks ingame except for the Abrams, apparently. Suddenly, we need hard numbers, when no other tank does…
…what?
The ingame M1A1 AIM is the Australian variant, with Australian armor and Australian livery, under the Australian flag and with Australian voices. It is clear and obvious that it’s a depiction of the Australian tank- which, spoiler, uses KE-W A2. Not KE-W, not M829A2- KE-W A2.
I’ll take a historical 40mm KE difference over a marginal 0.3 BR difference that makes no actual difference because every single match is a 12.0 uptier anyway.
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Idk bro , it is japan. It doesn’t matter unless that nation name started with U and end with an A or start with R and end with A. Minor nation are not counted
Well yeah but clearly not strong enough to please the mass. Especially US player themself. Out of all the top tier Premium ground right now US arguably have the best line up for any Br above rank 6. Also they are the only nation with a good amount of premium Aircraft top tier as well and they are all decent to good. That just premium side , not counting normal Tech Tree or event
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almost 3 decades older? are you saying C-5 is from 1985? (C-5 6 years older than 120A?)
okay two decades but gap still high
I know there is no clear evidence that the M1 chassis had DU, but it’s the same as the supposed protection of the Relikt being twice that of the Kontakt-5. It could be, but it could also be a fantasy. Personally, I find it incredible that the Relikt offers twice as much protection as the Kontakt-5, especially regarding the KE.
Yes, the Romor is modeled as it is. The usual thing is that it should provide more protection against CE ammunition. It’s been reported and accepted. Now we just have to wait for the devs to get tired of leaving the report aside and implement it.
Interestingly, this happens with many Western armors. The Brenus armor in reality is something similar to Kontakt 5, but in the game it’s like Kontakt 1. Also, many added composite armors have the ability to stop 30mm APDS (around 80 to 90mm penetration), but they provide 30mm protection.
If I’m in a tank with 550mm+ pen (so most 11.3+ tanks except for the Type 90/TKX(P)) I one shot kill T-90Ms ~80% of the time.
If their survivability increased I’m not feeling it.
I agree with this. The Abrams is now my favourite tank to fight, as for me it’s the easiest top tier tanks to kill.
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This is not counting the fact that the AV-8B Plus is a carrier of the AIM-120C, especially the C-5 and C-7 versions
And initially it had the AIM-120B and never had the AIM-120A. Yes, it should also have the AIM-9X (Block I) and (Block II)
And the one presented in the game is the first version of the Harriera from the 90s, with an old radar and a set of weapons.
I played the M1IP at 12.3 and the T-90M at 12.0, and I can say the T-90M is a worse tank. Its only benefit is armor, which is worthless when you consider it can’t hide its weaknesses like a Leopard can. (ie, Hull-Down Combat).
As Renzo said, the T-90M is only decent because the people fighting you have no idea what to do and hit the thickest part of the tank.
Ariete
Introduction dates are subordinate to balance considerations, because at the end of the day War Thunder is still a video game. We don’t have AIM-120C-5 vs R-77-1 for the same reason that the M60A1 RISE P with ERA from 1988 is a lower BR than the T-64A from 1977.
Ariete suffer yeah but Abrams isnt that hard to kill
No tank is hard to kill at top tier, they are all pretty much 1 shot kill
Let’s argue differently there:
US.military funds are big as the 25 following country 20+ of which are allied.
And you expect to have same age weapons when it’s clearly like Germany in WW2? (Meaning that USA is in advance compared to all others)
You thought that it would be balanced? But it wouldn’t.
I see from times to times, people asking for newer stuff because X or Y country does have a “201x” tank or aircraft,… in the meantime no one checks for what makes the current Game balance → Bare performances of said vehicule.
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People go through GREAT lenghts here to invent a reason to victimise themselves out of sheer boredom and small mindedness
Ironically I one shot kill Abrams tanks a lot more easy than Arietes after the turret basket nerf, but that mostly has to do with me I think.
If I shoot an Abrams in the turret ring with a 500mm+ pen dart it just dies, turret ring is just where I aim against the Abrams 70-80% of the time. If I see an Ariete I usually just shoot it anywhere, which usually causes the spall liners to fuck me over sometimes.
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You guys love to cry about Mobility when that’s how it is in real life, but when an Abrams enjoyer complain about the turret ring you guys stick your noses in.
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I agree with this. When playing top tier the Abrams is everywhere. To the point that when fighting them it is instinctive muscle memory to pop them in the turret ring. Meanwhile I rarely see an Ariete. And I have flubbed up what should be an easy kill because I forget where to shoot them.
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