Exactly. And it ruins it for both teams, not even just the one who loses.
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Not everyone agrees with you so please stop stating that as if it were fact.
And who are you? It literally does ruin it for both teams.
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I have heard literally no one saying they like costal being in mid to high teir Bluewater.
This isn’t a rerun for CAS complaints where the “just remove it” lot believe they’re more intelligent and popular than they are.
There’s no dedicated anti costal Bluewater gameplay, and there’s no top tier blue water that would lose out. They literally just exist to be annoying and exploit poor map design.
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if they can make coastal and bluewater versions of the same map, they can make a ‘battleship appropriate’ version by moving the caps around
or, if there are no caps, create ambush spots/spawns so you can still do torpedo boat shenanigans without having to cross miles of open ocean. maybe lock the use of those spawns behind SP
Wasn’t that their historical purpose, area denial, like “active mines”. You have to clear them out with a different vessel. Which is very annoying from a BB perspective during a blockade.
Also, we may soon find submarines in the game. You won’t be able to wish those away as BB. And then you may want some of the little friends to be around.
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Man it’d be so cool if pt boats could easily approach the other ships and use some form of explosive device to take them down, we could call them Torpedos
Man, why didn’t anyone think of this at the time they invented dreadnoughts (BR 6+)?
No one uses PT boats for that in top tier Naval. They always get the points and then J out. If the points are not there, no one would use them at top tier.
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And hydroplanes are not a problem. I’ve never had a match where a plane took a point, end in a complete lopsided victory like the ones with PT boats. They take onger to get to the points and can be killed much more easily. Especially since most planes are coming from cruisers you just ammo rack them before they get there or use your proxy rounds and blow the plane up. And on top of that they actually serve a purpose besides for people just capping points with them.
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Now that you mention it, let me take a look. Of your last 20 games, only 4 offered caps that PT boats could cap. The others were conquest or encounter.
So the amount of maps without coastal spawn/cap at BB level is at 80% anyway.
But now let us look at the 4 games that had coastal caps:
- game: A boat caps A, moves to B and is killed there from Bluewater. (the one you picture in your starting post)
- game: No boats.
- game: 2 caps are taken by floatplane, one by boat.
- game: one boat and several floatplanes fight for the caps. No clear winner here, game lasts 29 min, you died 4 times and exit after 23 min without a kill: It wasn’t the boats.
Of the 20 games, exactly ONE went as you proclaim here as the normal. The others display the kind of gameplay you say about:
In half the games where it was possible, float planes tried. And managed.
So this whole thread is about the 1 in 20 games where the enemy team caps solely with a boat and your team is unable or unwilling to respond.
https://warthunder.com/en/tournament/replay/429886652503608897
That was 9 matches ago, went pretty straight: Plane capped 2 points, boat 1.
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So, you just did all that to prove my point that when coastal is involved in a map with that set up, it is a lopsided victory for whoever has the pt boat.
Preciate it.
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I am me - who are you?
And why does that matter?
IN YOUR OPINION - I disagree.
Well let me change that for you - I like coastal in high tier Bluewater - I use it, and I counter my opponents using it.
If you can’t cope with it then that’s a shortcoming of your game - you might try to get better at it instead of crying about it.
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I never J-out after capping,and always try to use my coastal to kill larger ships with torps - or contest enemy coastal trying to cap themselves.
This thread is doing nothing except exposing how some people are just bad at using all the resources of the game and so want to restrict everyone else to their own myopic shortcomings.
Sounds like selective memory to me - it happens quite regularly “in the real world” - Franz Joseph is now very susceptible to it since the B point is not so easily taken by boats.
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Shouldn’t have to “cope” with people ruining the game for both sides. This is like saying having half your top tier GRB team leaving after one spawn isnt a problem, and you just gotta cope with it while the entire enemy team is full of T90M and BMPTs.
It is a proble, and it does ruin it for both sides. There is no point in it especially when you can just use it at the proper BR and have the same result.
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In BBs battles it’s easy to do, especially on that map,
Repulse is 7.0 and gets a floatplane. Dunkerque is 7.0 and gets a floatplane.
But otherwise you are correct.
Nope.
RN Armando Diaz is 5.0 and has hydroplanes… and many other ships prior to 7.0
Battleships.
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