Ive found conflicting information on that specifically. I’ve heard that they both lengthened the motor, that the c-5 added the 5" and that the C-7 added 5". The document i provided was from the u.s. air force so i was leaning towards what it said.
I have a feeling the situation will shift when US gets the f22. So, just hang in there.
US top tier aircraft are still very strong. It’s nonsensical to say Chinese aircraft are better due to PL-12, which is modelled even worse by Gaijin, with the range being even lower than AIM-120A. In fact, the opposite can be said as true: maneuverability differences are minor, while the energy and speed of the AIM-120 is far superior.
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Russian games will not make others more powerful than them, and they are also one of the worst game manufacturers I have ever seen.
Until they hit the F-22’s stealth capabilities with the good ole “Marketing Lies”.
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I would agree with you. US top tier aircraft are strong, they have the potential but they are held back by missiles. As for Chinese aircraft I cannot state anything about them
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Unfortunately range is one of the least valuable attributes at the moment. Given the average engagement ranges that actually occur most of the time in war thunder. PL-12s better maneuverability does make a notable difference. It’s why MICA EM is so OP at the moment. Doesn’t stand a chance in a long range fight against even A/B but that doesn’t matter because it destroys everything in WVR and short range BVR
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There is no way western engineers could develop stealth technologies before the soviets and therefore it clearly would be impossible for F-22 to be better than the Su57. Just like how stingers cannot be better than igla
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What’s the source on that 6 degrees? Looked everywhere and found nothing besides a few unverified blog posts
statcard top speed isnt its actual top speed ingame, youd have to be going mach 1.5 at like 35,000ft to achieve that speed which btw the A/B will do the exactsame
according to a educated simulation it should be 16772N for 7.75 seconds compared to the 15552N ingame. which it should get considering the r77 and r77-1 motors are currently over preforming ingame with the standard r77 having a 2~% better motor than it should have IRL with 22800N i think, then for 6 seconds compared to its ingame 23000N for 6 seconds. Then the r77-1 gets a 20~% motor buff of the r77. meanwhile the c-5 has a 7% nerf on its motor from its estimated irl output. i think the A/B is 5% nerf from their irl motor output
shouldn’t have guidance delay at all according to video evidence
about comparison between pl12 & aim120a/b i think it depends on player’s playstyle, at least i feel aim120 decent since i play a more conservative strategy and confront usually at farther range, while pl12 can handle more closer unexpected encounter.
but r77-1 is an unfair existence, that’s most important.
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I have the same opinion. Most hate the C5s because the advantages of the A/B are better but for me the C5 is actually stronger because of my more defensive playstyle
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YUP, but this is kinda pointless, unless ur firing in perfect tws condition
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overall, YUP, absolute cinema
I dont know if I necessarily agree. I’ve had a few times since the Contrail changes where I spotted someone and was able to engage entirely because I saw the smoke trail from their missile. That extra “stealth” that it would give would actually make a meaningful difference.
Every second of warning you get might be difference between surviving a missile and not.
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Its a bit irrelevant because these missiles rarely, if at all, reach their overload G limits. A hard maneuvering derby (fast accelerating with 40G overload limit) at low altitude will rarely exceed 20G pulls, even at their max reachable deltaV in a leveled flight path.
A R-77 or a mica won’t pull 50G off the rail while shooting at extreme speeds and extreme angles even if you try to make the missile do a 180º turn. It’s just that those can do high AoA maneuvers off the rail, the missiles are probably doing ±15 to 20G off the rail in most usual scenarios.
32G or 35G overload won’t make a difference to a aim-120. The only scenario I can think of where it would, is when a missile is flying straight down at very high speeds and suddenly reacquires a different target that needs a ridiculous path correction.
What severely limits their maneuverability is mostly the fins
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How I see it, every little helps. Your right, a lot of the time, might not make a difference, but it just needs to help once to be worth it.
With the current state of AMRAAM and many of the ARHs, its not 1 issue, it a dozen little ones that need to be resolved and this one is on that list.
but yes, fixing the fin AoA would help the most
i have my rwr 100% sensitivity so i either dodge 10 arhs or died to r77-1 or mica
no where in between, so i see them kinda pointless
tbh the amraam overall needs a buff, its just that there would be opposing group that would go “muh just wanna make america better”, i feel like if the manuverability and speed(specially the c5) would be just 5% or maybe 10% better it would make it so much bearable, ofc i would also take better seekers, but that would just make people say “muh asking for amraam best missiles”
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if they gave the c-5 the same fov as the mica so it was harder to notch i think its would be a pretty huge buff for a missile that relies on bvr to be usefull
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