Top tier ground USSR and America suck too hard (11.7-12.7)

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Talking about smallest weakspots just cause the tanks are smaller than all other MBTs is an insanely dumb argument.

If you’re struggling to disable or one shot kill ANY tank from ANY side with a top tier dart, it’s a skill issue. Every tank has massive weakspots.

Through logical thinking and actually playing the game well, you’ll know Russian tanks are the easiest to fully disable or one shot. All other tanks have much greater chances of either running away or fighting back since they’re not as cramped and have better mobility.

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now im no einstein but this shouldve done more spall (Previous 2 shots only killed the driver)

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Bugged spikes that doesn’t pen ERAs with tandem charges, 40mm that cannot instant pen russian MBTs from the side because of the ERAs, no turret basket in russian MBTs, can only pen them from LFP/driver hatch/breech 50% of the time hidden by tons of bushes/debris from the road/zigzags done by the players/that weird bug with motion blur melting the bushes and the armor together, LMURs, SU-30 spams, BMPTs (nothing to add about that), cardboard armors on NATO MBTs, ridiculous AGMs for the Bradleys and strf 9040 BILL, Pantsir-S1 being the best 12.0 SPAA with 12 ready-to-fire missiles and their kinda ability to send fire and forget missiles with their multiple targetting beam ability, russian IFVs having 2 mains barrels (to shoot AGMs and rapid shells) + incredible fire rate and pen making them a menace for ground and air targets, …

There are so many things existing to affirm the russian bias is real

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Real, CAS and support vehicles are what’s keeping Russia afloat in the higher BRs at the moment

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Lol why exactly? Smaller targets are harder to hit

Yeah? Gaijin made sure of that with the addition of baskets but theres still a size difference in weakspots

Youre shooting the UFP which wouldnt even be a pen on russian tanks ofc the residual pen and therefore spall is low. Also shooting the same location 3 times is bound to do less damage than maybe trying another

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Okay? 3BM60 shouldnt struggle to pen something 3BM42 can.

You dont know the circumstances of the shot, besides this shouldve killed him, whereas this was the LFP of a T72, T90, T80, they wouldve died to… Fuel explosion, Crew knocked out, ammunition exploded.

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Yeah and if you shot the LFP of that Leopard 2 it would have died or been completely disabled due to excess pen and therefore more spall. Meanwhile shooting the UFP of a T72/T90/T80 wouldnt have done shit so what exactly are you trying to say here

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“This tank of a different nation doesnt behave the same as the tank of a completely 3rd nation” is what you are saying right now

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When we add the next-gen tank, I think we can add a more advanced version of the Abrams and T-90M later. As a Russian main I think the T-90M is fine. It only very painful to grind them stock.

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In all vehicles, arcade battles USSR has lower winrate percentage than USA and Germany, in realistic battles Germany alone has higher winrate percentage than USSR, in simulator battles USA alone has higher winrate percentage than USSR. I don’t want to meat ride on the “But this” or “But that”, but this event vehicle is the lowest in terms of quality we ever got in the recent months of constant event. Not to say that Gaijin openly says that they’re working in next-generation aircraft, what about ground vehicles or naval? The point of this thread isn’t USSR is bad in some way or another accordingly to the original poster from what I could understand, is the content that isn’t appealing, the experience of ground battles is already lame, the content is even more drier.

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Yeah were comparing weakspots and the reliability of those, youre showing a dogshit shot that penetrated the second most armored part of a Leopard 2 and it didnt do the damage you wanted, because the shot was shit but it did more than a shot like this would have on a T series. Youre comparing a UFP shot on a Leopard to a LFP shot on a T series and act like they should do the same damage.

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Yeah its almost like arcade works differently and the strenght of russian ground doesnt come through there.

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40mm that cannot instant pen russian MBTs from the side because of the ERAs

Sidepenning Russian tanks with autocannons is the exact same as sidepenning any other vehicle with autocannons. Leopards are in the same boat. It’s just not a reliable thing to do and damn dude I wonder why maybe cause tanks now have spall liners and add-on armor. This is NOT a one-way thing.

can only pen them from LFP/driver hatch

And no you can’t only pen RU tanks from the driver hatch. The trunnions can be penned, T-72 and T-80 models can be roof-penned, and the lower front plate exists.

BMPTs

BMPTs are incredibly balanced now. If not a little weak when you use them against good players that actually know how to one-shot them.

cardboard armors on NATO MBTs

NATO tanks other than the Abrams do NOT have cardboard armor. However, it’s important to realise that the Abrams internal hull armor has not been upgraded in numerous decades; it’s only ever been the turret.

LMURs spam

LMURs aren’t very reliable cause they’re easy to track by other missiles. There’s just a massive SPAA dependency and that’s for every game. Vikhrs are lowkey a lot better lol.

ridiculous AGMs for the Bradleys and strf 9040 BILL

Saying any of the Strf 90 IFVs suck is a huge skill issue.Sure, the Bradley isn’t very good but you’ve got the ADATs, HSTV-L, M1128, hell even the M10 Booker or Stingray to play instead. Many options.

Pantsir-S1 being the best 12.0 SPAA

The 12.0 Finnish ItO 90M in the Sw tech tree is a lot better than the Pantsir at actually killing things.

Everything you’ve said is basically just wrong other than the turret baskets lol. But they don’t matter much since if you hit where the turret basket should be, you’ve very likely killed the entire tank.

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So i should be shooting the LFP of a centauro if i want to compare its survivability to the soviet T-series instead of literally anywhere else that wouldve been a better shot?

RU has the ability to frontally pen 10.7 leos on the UFP at 10.3 but we should be shooting the LFP which is a worse choice to compare their survivability?

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Yes because the excess pen of the immensely less armored LFP results in more spall creation and has a higher chance of hitting the bottom part of the basket that disables the turret drive. No idea who told you that shooting the UFP is better than shooting the LFP

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I think more modern tanks should be added like RIGHT NOW bro. Nothing “next-gen” like the M1E3 or T-14 Armata. M1A2 SEPv3 and T-90M Arena-M can comfortably be at 12.7 or 13.0 due to the holy decompression Gaijin finally gave us.

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UFP with 3BM60, works just as well and better than the LFP because you have less room for error.

this is a leo 2a4 were talking about.

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Sidepenning Russian tanks with autocannons is the exact same as sidepenning any other vehicle with autocannons.

Lol no, it seems you never tried to pen russian MBTs from the side with the bushmaster, or even better 40mm cannons. ERAS eat the rounds, need to spam the tank in order to destroy it. Doesn’t happen with NATO MBTs, they get pened like butter.

And no you can’t only pen RU tanks from the driver hatch. The trunnions can be penned, T-72 and T-80 models can be roof-penned, and the lower front plate exists.

I said “LFP/driver hatch/breech”. Also, good luck pening a T-90M from the roof.

BMPTs are incredibly balanced now. If not a little weak when you use them against good players that actually know how to one-shot them.

Ok, this guy is a ragebaiter, do not respond to this thread anymore.

NATO tanks other than the Abrams do NOT have cardboard armor.

Ragebait → Leclercs, Arietes, Chally, Merkavas, Types, TKX.

LMURs aren’t very reliable cause they’re easy to track by other missiles.

Ragebait → Try stopping 8 LMURs spams every 15 seconds the time the MI-28NMs reload on the helipad, landing on it in 3 seconds by lowering from 10 meters when they currently hover when they shoot their LMURs.

Saying any of the Strf 90 IFVs suck is a huge skill issue.Sure, the Bradley isn’t very good but you’ve got the ADATs, HSTV-L, M1128, hell even the M10 Booker or Stingray to play instead.

Ragebait, won’t argue that one, pointless

The 12.0 Finnish ItO 90M in the Sw tech tree is a lot better than the Pantsir at actually killing things.

Ragebait → 12 missiles ready-to-fire, guns, multiple targetting system in Pantsir-S1. Don’t know why I argued this one.

I also forgot about the autoloader eating APFSDS shells in russian MBTs, instead of exploding.

Anyway, this guy is a ragebaiter, don’t answer his posts anymore. Obvious.

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Ok cool? So you have 2 choices where to shoot and you still complain?

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I mean they could… Japan already have the Next gen tank in game so…