Top tier ground USSR and America suck too hard (11.7-12.7)

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40mm that cannot instant pen russian MBTs from the side because of the ERAs

Sidepenning Russian tanks with autocannons is the exact same as sidepenning any other vehicle with autocannons. Leopards are in the same boat. It’s just not a reliable thing to do and damn dude I wonder why maybe cause tanks now have spall liners and add-on armor. This is NOT a one-way thing.

can only pen them from LFP/driver hatch

And no you can’t only pen RU tanks from the driver hatch. The trunnions can be penned, T-72 and T-80 models can be roof-penned, and the lower front plate exists.

BMPTs

BMPTs are incredibly balanced now. If not a little weak when you use them against good players that actually know how to one-shot them.

cardboard armors on NATO MBTs

NATO tanks other than the Abrams do NOT have cardboard armor. However, it’s important to realise that the Abrams internal hull armor has not been upgraded in numerous decades; it’s only ever been the turret.

LMURs spam

LMURs aren’t very reliable cause they’re easy to track by other missiles. There’s just a massive SPAA dependency and that’s for every game. Vikhrs are lowkey a lot better lol.

ridiculous AGMs for the Bradleys and strf 9040 BILL

Saying any of the Strf 90 IFVs suck is a huge skill issue.Sure, the Bradley isn’t very good but you’ve got the ADATs, HSTV-L, M1128, hell even the M10 Booker or Stingray to play instead. Many options.

Pantsir-S1 being the best 12.0 SPAA

The 12.0 Finnish ItO 90M in the Sw tech tree is a lot better than the Pantsir at actually killing things.

Everything you’ve said is basically just wrong other than the turret baskets lol. But they don’t matter much since if you hit where the turret basket should be, you’ve very likely killed the entire tank.

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So i should be shooting the LFP of a centauro if i want to compare its survivability to the soviet T-series instead of literally anywhere else that wouldve been a better shot?

RU has the ability to frontally pen 10.7 leos on the UFP at 10.3 but we should be shooting the LFP which is a worse choice to compare their survivability?

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Yes because the excess pen of the immensely less armored LFP results in more spall creation and has a higher chance of hitting the bottom part of the basket that disables the turret drive. No idea who told you that shooting the UFP is better than shooting the LFP

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I think more modern tanks should be added like RIGHT NOW bro. Nothing “next-gen” like the M1E3 or T-14 Armata. M1A2 SEPv3 and T-90M Arena-M can comfortably be at 12.7 or 13.0 due to the holy decompression Gaijin finally gave us.

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UFP with 3BM60, works just as well and better than the LFP because you have less room for error.

this is a leo 2a4 were talking about.

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Sidepenning Russian tanks with autocannons is the exact same as sidepenning any other vehicle with autocannons.

Lol no, it seems you never tried to pen russian MBTs from the side with the bushmaster, or even better 40mm cannons. ERAS eat the rounds, need to spam the tank in order to destroy it. Doesn’t happen with NATO MBTs, they get pened like butter.

And no you can’t only pen RU tanks from the driver hatch. The trunnions can be penned, T-72 and T-80 models can be roof-penned, and the lower front plate exists.

I said “LFP/driver hatch/breech”. Also, good luck pening a T-90M from the roof.

BMPTs are incredibly balanced now. If not a little weak when you use them against good players that actually know how to one-shot them.

Ok, this guy is a ragebaiter, do not respond to this thread anymore.

NATO tanks other than the Abrams do NOT have cardboard armor.

Ragebait → Leclercs, Arietes, Chally, Merkavas, Types, TKX.

LMURs aren’t very reliable cause they’re easy to track by other missiles.

Ragebait → Try stopping 8 LMURs spams every 15 seconds the time the MI-28NMs reload on the helipad, landing on it in 3 seconds by lowering from 10 meters when they currently hover when they shoot their LMURs.

Saying any of the Strf 90 IFVs suck is a huge skill issue.Sure, the Bradley isn’t very good but you’ve got the ADATs, HSTV-L, M1128, hell even the M10 Booker or Stingray to play instead.

Ragebait, won’t argue that one, pointless

The 12.0 Finnish ItO 90M in the Sw tech tree is a lot better than the Pantsir at actually killing things.

Ragebait → 12 missiles ready-to-fire, guns, multiple targetting system in Pantsir-S1. Don’t know why I argued this one.

I also forgot about the autoloader eating APFSDS shells in russian MBTs, instead of exploding.

Anyway, this guy is a ragebaiter, don’t answer his posts anymore. Obvious.

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Ok cool? So you have 2 choices where to shoot and you still complain?

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I mean they could… Japan already have the Next gen tank in game so…

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So you will no longer preach that shooting a weakspot for older less capable ammunition (LFP) is a must even tho you can brute force through the UFP with 154mm of pen spare?

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I never said it was a must just that it’s more reliable because of how spall works in the game.

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Japan, Italy, and Sweden have higher winrates at top tier. So what, now its Italy bias?) immediately nerf them?)

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My bad, wrong info was there, it is not the roof but rather the upper part of the mantlet/trunnions.

Why is this ragebait?, the Strf’s are beasts, yeah the “X vehicle is bad so just play something else” is a bad argument but RU doesnt really have much else to play than a different T80 or T72

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  1. I wrote 12.7
  2. those aren’t majors, nice job comparing them to the most played tech tree
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Lol no, it seems you never tried to pen russian MBTs from the side with the bushmaster, or even better 40mm cannons. ERAS eat the rounds, need to spam the tank in order to destroy it. Doesn’t happen with NATO MBTs, they get pened like butter.

Are you expecting to one shot a tank with an autocannon? Do you have a brain? Every light autocannon based IFV (25mm/30mm/40mm) needs to spam to kill top tier tanks lol.

Also, good luck pening a T-90M from the roof.

I said T-72 and T-80 models. Not the T-90M.

Ok, this guy is a ragebaiter, do not respond to this thread anymore.

Just get good and grow a brain bro. BMPTs are fine right now. Just learn where to shoot them lmao. If your team allows them to flank then that’s your team and it’s the same as getting flanked by any IFV.

Ragebait → Leclercs, Arietes, Chally, Merkavas, Types, TKX.

Leclercs don’t have cardboard armor. Merkavas DEFINITELY don’t have cardboard armor. Arietes, Type 90s, the TKX, are all relatively light and speedy tanks and that’s by design choice. The Type 90s and the TKX are incredibly good (I argue they’re the best top tier tanks). The Ariete is like a (quite) worse version of them and that’s why it doesn’t even reach 12.7 (should lowkey be 12.0).

Earlier I said there’s very few tanks worse than the Russian top tier ones and the Challengers are most of them. They don’t even have anything better in real life. They could cap out at 12.3 and be fine.

This is ragebait
That is ragebait
That too is ragebait

Just get good my guy. If it’s ragebaiting you then that’s on you. Most of this argument is based on logic and objectivity and you’re trying to involve skill into it cause you suck at top tier tank battles.

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Their winrates higher exactly at 12.7) And if you know about major nations, how can you not know that the winrate increases when you play a lineup, and the Soviet top tier is strong precisely because of the number of tanks “for slaughter”

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ragebait. if you are bad with russia then you just suck at the game

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The TKX and Type 90 tanks are so damn good.

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with like a 10th of the players russia has and 12.7 is the most important one

Soviet 12.7 doesnt have more tanks than other trees. The reason majors usually perform worse is the amount of newbies, wallet warriors and idiots compared to minor nations.

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Gen 3 tank vs Gen 4 ofcourse the TKX is very great.

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If you do badly against Russia you just suck at the game.

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