Because AASMs are rather bugged at the moment and are underperforming significantly.
Any data / evidence for this? No? Pretty on the money for your arguments.
(Morvran reported this too eh?)
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And guess what happened later, AGM-65Ds got nerfed to the ground after Russians cried to Gaijoob, but somehow they did not do the same to the KH38s.
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well at top tier you are right most AA can only get kills up to a max of 23k feet away while the su34 it can target lock and drop bombs from over 30k away. most of the time with russian CAS in top tier thier plane dose not even load into the game before you die from it not even the radar system can pick up the planes.
so yes russian bias CAS is BS but we just need to deal with the people who use them and laugh at them for having no brain or skill
not to mention SPAA
Only point lock though. Hammers also gets the buff
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You got me there. But only USA and Brit’s have 800mm pen agms
I must have a pitch fork and a torch if you think I’m attacking you.
Simply pointing out your flawed logic isn’t attacking, hate to break it to you.
I like how you rope in Germany and Italy as if you care about them, France has something the UK doesn’t? Must be op to you then eh?
Feign the victim? By pointing out logical flaws, and having a genuine discussion?
You: goes around the point to insult when possible
Russia has a good Heli tree and a good Air trees but to say the strongest cas in the game is just false.
Strongest spaa, that is a one trick pony? Sure.
(lol this got reported?)
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KH-38s and whatever the Rafale fires are a true disease for Top Tier.
Not even AGM-65 or PARS are as severe, since the former is slower and has lower range and the latter is unreliable.
But SU-25/34/30s and Rafales are straight out weapons of mass destruction with extreme range and no downsides at all.
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F-16C was added in Sons of Attila and with a few updates they buffed the mavs, mavs haven’t been nerfed while the F-16C has been in game.
Keep in mind this was all before the Kh-38MT was even in game… and there haven’t been any new SPAA additions since early 2023.
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France is pretty much the best top tier nation at this point. Best CAS, best Heli (once it comes this update, and even still the current Eurocopter is very good), 2nd best SPAA, and 6 different 12.0 MBTs.
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Not to be nit-picky but if speed is a downside for the AGM-65 it is also a downside for the AASM, considering they only fly at 0.1 Mach faster. Not saying the AASMs aren’t better or that all FnF CAS at top tier isn’t OP.
Its the slow speed + no IOG that counts. You have loads of time to smoke and defeat an AGM-65 if spotted. but an AASM’s IOG helps mitigate its slower nature. Also once the GNSS+IR guidance stuff is fixed, you’ll be able to lob them from quite far
I think the core difference here though is that I cant even remember the last time I saw someone playing france in GRB, let alone more than a handful to a team. Meanwhile I fairly routinely see matches made up of 90% soviets due to their popularity.
France would be very annoying to deal wiht, if teams were made up of 90% france, but they arent
Yes yes I already addressed this
I just get weirdly annoyed when people apply a standard to one thing but not the other
Fair point
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cough cough Rafale, F-15E, EFT, F-16C, and more. All can do great CAS, just not as braindead as the Su-34, albeit still braindead.
CAS is a horrible problem sure, but its not like other nations don’t get great CAS as well.
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Going forward lets keep topics on track, and keep all personal arguments to PM’s.
Does an AGM-65 have a smoke trail?
F-16C was doing the same thing the Rafael and Su-34 are doing now.
“the same thing” you mean 6 Mavericks that are extremely slow, no IOG so a single pop of smoke is enough to counter it, rarely one shot MBT, and will get intercepted by Pantsir 100% of the time unless you fire off multiple at a single target? Yea totally the same
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