Not to be nit-picky but if speed is a downside for the AGM-65 it is also a downside for the AASM, considering they only fly at 0.1 Mach faster. Not saying the AASMs aren’t better or that all FnF CAS at top tier isn’t OP.
Its the slow speed + no IOG that counts. You have loads of time to smoke and defeat an AGM-65 if spotted. but an AASM’s IOG helps mitigate its slower nature. Also once the GNSS+IR guidance stuff is fixed, you’ll be able to lob them from quite far
I think the core difference here though is that I cant even remember the last time I saw someone playing france in GRB, let alone more than a handful to a team. Meanwhile I fairly routinely see matches made up of 90% soviets due to their popularity.
France would be very annoying to deal wiht, if teams were made up of 90% france, but they arent
Yes yes I already addressed this
I just get weirdly annoyed when people apply a standard to one thing but not the other
Fair point
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cough cough Rafale, F-15E, EFT, F-16C, and more. All can do great CAS, just not as braindead as the Su-34, albeit still braindead.
CAS is a horrible problem sure, but its not like other nations don’t get great CAS as well.
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Going forward lets keep topics on track, and keep all personal arguments to PM’s.
Does an AGM-65 have a smoke trail?
F-16C was doing the same thing the Rafael and Su-34 are doing now.
“the same thing” you mean 6 Mavericks that are extremely slow, no IOG so a single pop of smoke is enough to counter it, rarely one shot MBT, and will get intercepted by Pantsir 100% of the time unless you fire off multiple at a single target? Yea totally the same
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This, SU 27, 34, 33, they are all just big fox 3 magnets.
And EF and Rafale are so useless is ground games against ground targets… ( sarcasm lvl 100)
Those things got a lot better flight performance, lot biggers CAS loadout and lot better fox 3’s , and still people cry on SU 34…
This just makes me wonder how much of a cry it wold be having RAFALE or EF equilavent cas plane on ussr :D
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Thats why I stopped playing toptier for 3 months now or even more 1. CAS 2. TEAMS just suck
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Imagine saying that 800mm heat pen (mav, brimstone) is better than ir guided 1000lb bomb (kh38) which doesnt kill by heat spall but rather by pure HE which most AGMs rely on but hey 800mm pen that does literally nothing is better. Right? RIGHT?
Yeah and that comes from a guy that havent played brimstone or mav. U can say that i dont play kh38. Well… I die to them A LOT compared to any other missiles. 70-85% is by kh38 alone. But dude that hardly plays toptier knows better 🤠
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I might understand the latter ones, but Su-25SM3 is a subsonic brick with little to no self-defense capabilities and will even carry less KHs. Putting them in the same basket doesn’t really make it justice.
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This just makes me wonder how much of a cry it wold be having RAFALE or EF equilavent cas plane on ussr :D
Su-30sm comming. With 5 kh38 + insane target pod, few r77-1, insane radar and thrust vectors.
And EF nerfed to 12g, so would be less agille to S1.
Its self-defense capability is being able to out-range every SAM system currently ingame xD (except for Pantsir, which it doesn’t face because it’s on the same nation).
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All good until you realize non-RU planes are also allowed to spawn in.
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that apply to Harrier Gr7 and Tornado GR4 too yet both of them not get special treatments like Russian
Harrier is 0.7 BR below SM3 with same amount of FnFs while being much better for A2A.
Gr4 is 0.3 BR below as well.
Saying SM3 has no downsides is funny though.
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both still face the threat no different as SM3 while have worse A2G
even G4 have LOAL brimstone it still worse than SU-34 in everyway
so, does Harrier GR7
They can face much lesser opponents due to their BR and PGMs + Brimstones are definitely on par with 4x KHs.
Not to mention they can defend themselves better.
Harrier is at 12.0, not 12.7.
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