Top tier focus has to be lowered

Machinery of War Discussion
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Honestly, there are just too many things at top tier that need to be fixed. A small list is:

  • No (viable) top tier SPAA for Italy, USA, Israel, and Great Britain
  • No Pantsir-equivalent SPAA for Italy, USA, Israel, Great Britain, Sweden, France, China, Japan, and Germany
  • No Su-25SM3-equivalent CAS for Italy, USA, Israel, Great Britain, Sweden, France, China, Japan, and Germany (might be changed with the F-111F/C? Idk)
  • Vehicle stats/attributes for Abrams, Leclerc, Merkava, Ariete, etc.
  • Massive BR compression issues
  • Terribly incorrect BRs for certain vehicles (OTOMATIC, HSTV-L, 2S38, Pantsir)
  • Incorrectly modeled ARHs (pretty much all of them)
  • APS systems not working consistently/at all (KF41, for example)
  • Tandem ATGMs not working at all
  • Anti-ERA effectiveness not mattering
  • Massive Russian-ERA overperformance

And that’s just what I can think of within a couple minutes.

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Right now I look at ‘updates’ (basically lazy vehicle asset drops, no real major changes or additions bar removing map replayability/options as usual), scan through them for anything that’s not top teir, if I’m lucky it’s 1-3 things, sometimes none.

All I have to look forward to is worse and worse maps and no content, maps, vehicles etc. Flanders was the last decent map addition. SMall holland being forced at BR4-5 is aids and it looks liek eastern europe is going the same way. Game quickly becoming unplayable and I’m glad I got my pak puma as I’ve ticked off my ‘wish list’… don’t need any vehicles now.

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The new players only care for modern stuff. the core players seem to mostly prefer ww2-mid cold war. we just want some love

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Not really… for example, I’ve been a core player since 2014 and I’m 100% a modern machinnery enthusiast.

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probably should have said mostly

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Been playing since 2016 and I enjoy modern stuff as well as ww2 stuff.

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I voted “no”. I feel they add enough lower tier vehicles already. Steadily too I might add. That includes land, air and sea. Battle pass usually features lower br/tier vehicle rewards. They get plenty of focus each time.

A good portion of higher tier vehicles and aircraft they add are just variants of already existing ones in game.

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But most old veterans prefer WWII related vehicles.

Just like the video Phlydaily made around 2 months ago. Saying to go back towards max 6.7 vehicles and the rest in some other gamemode.

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Which of these is incorrectly BRed?

HSTV-L is the best auto-light tank in the game, Pantsir deserves 11.7 so it has a lineup, only one I agree one slightly is 2S38 which should be 10.3 at most

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None

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I mean thats a dumb take but it would be nice if Gaijin spread the focus across all BRs instead of mostly targeting high tiers.

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Top tier is a shit show.

Nations cant have counters because the lack of released documents, no vehicle at all or its still WIP.

Besides that. The game isnt made for long stationery SPAA like patriot. Which means nations like the USSR have more top tier SPAA because they went another route and because they spent way more money on their army instead of healthcare.

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Its not a dumb take.

Look at the result of the poll.
Most people, including a lot of veterans (who made it clear in the chat) vote for Yes.

But if this poll were to go into a ‘pro top-tier’ channel, then the poll would be biased and be terminated.

So for now, its not a dumb take.

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Not going to turn it into that sort of thread, so I’ll just put a spoiler

Spoiler
  • HSTV-L: Should be at the same BR as the 2S38, but it’s not good enough for 11.3 without its tracking or correct reload rate.
  • 2S38: Should be minimum 11.0, but really 11.7 tbh.
  • Pantsir: Should be like 12.7, with the TOR-M1 being 12.3.
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I was saying that this is a dumb take not the poll.

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Oh… then quote next time 😂

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Didn’t think it needed a quote since its a short comment…

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I agree, I primary enjoy WW2 so have a bit more focus on it would be nice.

What makes it worse is the few we do get is often Battlepass or Event making them unattainable unless or A.) rich or B.) have the time to no life WT.

To make matters worse this also applies the early Cold War. This applies to Nations without a home who have hundreds of stuff, yet are brushed off from having a home due to a modernistic view of being “C&P”.

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Are they really equal? (genuine question)

Afaik the HSTVL is faster, more survivable, and is smaller. The 2S38 isn’t even that bad undertiered, but it should be atleast 10.3 or 10.7.

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No, the HSTV-L is much better as a light tank. As you said already, its faster, smaller, and more survivable. It also has more depression allowing it to be flexible.

Yea sounds about right.