Absolutely not???
As much as I would like to see AIM-120C-7s and AIM-9Xs, that defeats the whole purpose of the decompression being done here.
The game is already woefully compressed with the planes at their current BRs. Adding new, more oppressive, weaponry is not the way forward.
I also don’t expect to see Gaijin adding new air-to-air weapons to the F-15C and F-16C we have in game. The F-15E may end up getting new weapons, but we’ll have to see. I’m expecting Gaijin to implement Late versions of what we already have in game.
maybe they will update IR signatures, countermeasures, and simple ECM stuff like towed and disposable decoys
some of those are applicable to F-15, F-16, F/A-18, and F-14
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Game could use decompression but in all reality, a simple change to .07+/-BR difference instead of 1.0+/-BR difference could change the game so vastly that being up tier wouldn’t make everyone hate the game so much.
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The only 2 things I dislike about going to +/- 0.7 are:
- it’s hard to explain to new players
- it looks awful (imo).
In theory it should absolutely work, but I’d argue the BR scale needs to change to +/- 0.5 to both look better and make more sense to new players. That way it can also still be +/- 1.0, having bigger numerical jumps, but having smaller jumps in vehicle capabilities between BRs.
For example, starting from 1.0:
- 1.0 = 1.0
- 1.3 = 1.5
- 1.7 = 2.0
- 2.0 = 2.5
- 2.3 = 3.0
- 2.7 = 3.5
- 3.0 = 4.0
- And so on…
Having +/- 0.7 means we have 3 BRs in one match (eg. 1.7, 2.0, 2.3). Using the +/- 0.5 scale, we get the same thing under a different name (2.0, 2.5, 3.0), and it looks much better imo.
Edit: Sorry for any confusion. When I said +/- 0.5, I meant to say +/- 1.0 with 0.5 BR jumps.
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.05 will and never work. Yes it’s simple for face value. But since gaijin did off numbers like 1.3 and 2.7. .07+/- is the best decision. It isn’t complicated at all if you just know that 0.7 is the BR spread, the game isn’t new player friendly from the get go so using that as an excuse for difficulty or negating the idea is as bad as saying it looks ugly. So does the X.3 or X.7 BR on various vehicles. lol.
If you wanted to change the BR spread to X.5+/-, decompression has to completely be overhauled, the values of vehicles has to all be changed to .0 or .5 values instead of the off numbers they use as .3 or .7 values. Not to mention it would vastly limit different vehicles you’d see in a match very small, and make finding games in weird BR ranges harder to play and find games without changing servers or meshing them.
The simplicity of changing the code for .7+/- instead of 1.0+/- is much easier through and through without altering any vehicle BRs and get a better win/loss graph for future vehicle BR changes. And less chance for Gaijin to fubar something as per usual when altering something.
Thus, less changing the overall BR stats, shrinking the up tier that everyone hates and overall better even games across the board that won’t be so vastly one sided. This would also help the ODL games as well since people will have an easier time staying out of that BR range in ground. And lighten the craziness of high tier Jets missile spam.
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Or as I’ve mentioned on the forum before, make BRs more specific so planes can be 7.2, 9.9, 10.5 and etc so ±1.0 wouldn’t be as much of a problem.
But any decompression is fine by me, I just don’t want to fight full aspect missiles in a F-4J anymore.
Sorry, I miscommunicated what I meant. I was saying +/- 0.5 when I meant to say +/- 1.0 with 0.5 BR jumps. This would be the exact same system as +/- 0.7, it’s just with the numbers shifted.
New players don’t simply just know things. These things have to be explained, and +/- 0.7 with 0.3 BR jumps simply isn’t as intuitive as +/- 1.0 with 0.5 BR jumps.
No it doesn’t, the BRs just have to be converted from 0.3 scale to 0.5 scale. As I showed before, that’s not hard to do. You just make equivalent BRs starting at 1.0, increase them by their respective rates, and now you have a conversion table for every vehicle to be converted.
Changing the BRs to +/- 1.0 with 0.5 BR jumps is the same exact system as +/- 0.7. The only difference is cosmetics. +/- 0.7 allows you to face the same exact number of vehicles as +/- 1.0 with 0.5 BR jumps in any given match.
Sure? But that doesn’t mean it’s hard for +/- 1.0 with 0.5 BR jumps to be done. Like I said, each and every vehicle would get a new converted BR.
W proposal
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I think we should decompress to 16.0-16.7 and not only focus on the top tier but also the area like 6.0 & 8.0 where the prop meet jet and WW2 meet Cold War vehicle
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Agreed, although that would definitely be another post all on its own. I mostly play top tier, so that’s what my personal bias leans towards.
Plenty of areas need decompression, top tier is just where my focus was for this post.
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Idk if you’ve been here long enough to know that gaijin will never alter their BR scope. It will always be .0/.3/.5/.7. It’s been that way from the start, it will always be that way until the decide to introduce paper vehicles.
A .5+/- spread would mean the highest you’d see in a game is .5 above you while you’re bottom tier. A 1.0+/-BR spread is what is currently in the game meaning the highest you’d see is 1.0BR above you. A 0.7+/-BR spread is what you’d perfect want. Highest you’d ever see at being low tier is .7 above you, at being high tier the lowest you’d see is .7.
Perfect example of this right now is the F18C Early. It’s 12.7. Current it can fight against the Mig23ML at 11.7 (which is completely dominates), but with a .7+/-BR you’d only ever see at lowest would be the F4S Prem (which is on par armament wise). When being low tier in the F18C Early, you see as high as the SU27SM which outclasses the F18 early in almost every aspect, with a .7BR+/- you’d see that but more of the likes of Mig29SMT which is more on par to the F18C Early. And this wouldn’t need to change the BR at all.
.7+/- is the most simple way to fix BR decompression without altering the BR of vehicles and screwing up what is already there. Don’t fix what’s not broken, IE the Br categories are fine, the 1.0BR spread is what’s broken. And I don’t feel the need to break down more examples of it. lol. Logically it’s what needs to be done. This would nullify 85% of the compression problems in the game without hurting the wait times as well for games.
I will die on this hill. BR changes and decompression just screws up more stuff than what’s already there, plus it takes them too long to figure out BR changes.
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So F-15E from USA tech tree around 2020 ~ present ?
I suppose 4 fighter aircraft might get AIM-120C-7
- F-15E
- F-16C Block 50
- Gripen C (HuAF & RTAF)
- F/A-18C late
5 fighter aircraft armed AIM-9X (Blk 1)
- F-15C MSIP II
- F-15E
- F-16AM MLU
- F-16C Block 50
- F/A-18C (USN/USMC)
F-16C Block 50 around 2015 ~ 2019, but pre PoBIT upgrade
Changing the BR system to +/- 0.7 is more of a bandaid solution than anything. I do think +/- 0.7 would work, it’s just that it’s a short term fix for a long term issue.
Decompressing and adjusting BRs takes longer and is definitely more difficult, but in the long run it’s more worthwhile. We retain more diverse matchups without significantly changing the way the matchmaker works. Although it is also easier to simply add new BRs in small steps and adjust them afterwards if anything needs changing.
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Concerning late variants, I would expect the following:
- F-16CG Block 50 Late with the AN/APG-83 SABR AESA radar
- F-15C Late with the AN/APG-63(V)3 AESA radar
- F-15E Late with the AN/APG-82(V)1 AESA radar
- F/A-18E Block 2 with the AN/APG-79(V)4 AESA radar
All of these planes could come to the game with AIM-120C-5s, but they are all AIM-120D-3 capable afaik.
All of these planes would eventually receive AIM-9Xs whenever those come to the game. But for now we are unlikely to receive next-gen Fox-2s until much further down the timeline.
I do wish Gaijin would update the existing planes we already have in game, but I’m starting to doubt that they will do that. I am also curious how addition of the F-15E Late will affect the addition of the F-15EX. The F-15EX is still an upgrade over the F-15E Late as it receives more, better missiles AND better engines, but I wonder if Gaijin will just jump straight to the EX.
Gaijin doesn’t need to keep adding to the top of BR’s for how long the game has been around now. Anything new is too new for them to have correct info on, and too much for their team to even problem correctly. They just need to implement the .07+/-BR spread, then give it 3-6 months to see the W/L ratios fluctuate, then minority tweak the BRs of vehicles. By that time, you’d start seeing a more even W/L across the board for all countries statistically because your up tiers wouldn’t be so bad. 6.7 Ground is a perfect example of where it would highly effect gameplay since thats mid/late WWII ground vehicle mixed with Cold War Era around 7.7br vehicles which shouldn’t be mixed together at all. And 6.7br is probably one of the most popular BR brackets for ground. Next to 10.0+. Which is a cluster F just by itself. This would also help lower nations be played more instead of just grinded out for completion. Your hyperfixation on top tier air is why it doesn’t make much sense and why I used the F18C Early as an example earlier. It can’t be moved to 13.0 because then it would have to have Fox 3s to even be viable for how slow and bad the radar is. The proof in that is just looking at the F18C lates performance. It’s absolutely trash of a jet at 14.0. It’s the slowest, it has the worst radar of 14.0, and all it has going for it is the maneuverability, which the EF and Rafale do better at anyways and the 120Bs got a shadow nerf as well. .7+/- won’t effect 14.0, it would just be pointless at that BR since there’s only a handful of jets there anyways and at 13.3. But lower it would help keep Fox 3s out of non-Fox 3 jet games. That’s where BR decompression would come into play more, which they previously did at the 12.0br+ range and it helped very marginally. (It helped their bottom line for the Premiums they had back then which makes them money)
Nonetheless, they need to fix their game.
It might F-16CM with Pratt & Whitney F100-PW-229 engine & AN/APG-83 SABR AESA radar, place after F-16C Block 50 but battle rating 15.3 or 15.7 minimum
I don’t know gajin call F-15C (2008) or F-15C (2023)
AN/APG-63(V)2 or AN/APG-63(V)3 AESA radar, I’m not sure about it.
F-15E from USA tech tree post upgrade with AN/APG-82(V)1 AESA radar, and integrade AIM-9X (Blk 1) & AIM-120D
F/A-18E late (around 2018 ~ 2021) after F/A-18C late, battle rating 15.3 minimum
Super hornet doesn’t have 79v4, just 79 afaik
Oh yeah sorry, it appears the 79(V)4 only goes to the C/Ds being upgraded by the USMC (at least in US service).
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