Top tear Russia and China are unplayable thanks gaijin

[richthofen122]

Gaijin loves only Russia.

[FlyingDoctor]

‘Top tear’ is about right to be honest…

[Grossaaaa]

@Nano gaming765@live

Soviet autoloaders havent had jamming issues since the early T-64 i mean have you seen a single russian or ukie complain about their autoloader during the whole war they’re slow yes but they’re also pretty reliable they’ve been developed for over 50 years

I can see if I can find something, but this was based on the fact that the reload of the T14 was slowed to 10 seconds a round.
That only makes sense if the autoloader is still unreliable at the 7 (6.5) second cycle time since the autoloader of the T14 is inaccessible to the crew under combat conditions.

The 50 years of development doesn’t really mean much, as there are no significant improvements done to the autoloaders in that timespan. They would be able to get the reload times down in that timefdrame, don’t you think?

[Lyn_poster]

@Grossaaaa

T14 was slowed to 10 seconds a round.

The T-14 doesn’t have a 10 second reload that was an accident on a spec sheet that read 10 second reload instead of 10 rounds per minute

@Grossaaaa

That only makes sense if the autoloader is still unreliable at the 7 (6.5) second cycle time since the autoloader of the T14 is inaccessible to the crew under combat conditions.

Again you’re basing this entire thing over a mistake because some guy made a mistake and turned 10 rounds per minute into 10 seconds per round, it literally makes no sense for it to have a worse reload i don’t think it would be physically possible to make the reload worse actually even if they just stripped out a T-90 autoloader it would still be 7.1s

@Grossaaaa

The 50 years of development doesn’t really mean much, as there are no significant improvements done to the autoloaders in that timespan. They would be able to get the reload times down in that timefdrame, don’t you think?

There’s literally no need for autoloaders to get faster than 6s for MBTs the gunner still has to aim the gun and the commander has to spot targets or in the T-90M and T-72B3s case use the thermal lock and have the computer aim and fire for the gunner which takes time for the gun to lay, a faster autoloader only matters for artillery where having a burst of 3 rounds every second or two actually helps

[Kicimijazawa]

@Nano gaming765@live

accident on a spec sheet

The entire T-14 is an accident on a spec sheet… When Gaijin release this parade curiosity to the game, 2S38 will suddenly appear as pretty well balanced on the verge of being underpowered…

[Lyn_poster]

The 2s38 is balanced and the incessant whining of the average forum user who’s incapable of aiming at something that isnt the size of Shinano won’t change that fact

@Kicimijazawa

Gaijin release this parade curiosity

I mean i wouldn’t be surprised if we see it with the Leopard 2A8 maybe even sooner considering its mostly unarmoured turret also the parade tank jokes got boring years ago a real parade vehicle would be our AJAX funny that it makes its first debut in a museum

[TheArcticFoxxo]

@Zhuleck

the artificially slow reload rates

They’re exactly how they should be.

@Zhuleck

the weakest at top tear darts

Tier*
They are by no means the weakest, 3BM60 isn’t even Russia’s current-service AP shot atm.

@Zhuleck

the now slow acceleration exhilaration and non existent reverse gear

Acceleration is perfectly fine, and if you have an issue with the reverse gear you should take it up with Kartsev.

@Zhuleck

the only two nations with exploding fuel

Every nation’s fuel explodes.

@Zhuleck

the new autoloader “mechanism” that is just more hand holding for other nations

Ok…? It’s nothing but a module.

[TheArcticFoxxo]

@Grossaaaa

T80s use the same autoloader as the 64s

T-80s use different autoloaders than the T-64s… Hell, the T-64 has even gone through 3 different MZ variants throughout its production and modernization.

@Grossaaaa

who all had their reload slowed because they’d have too high of a chance to jam if it was faster than about 7 seconds.

The T-64 could reload in 6.5 seconds if it was a direct 1:1 rotation, though that isn’t commonly oriented as such.
It didn’t have any increased chance of “jamming” if loaded faster. I’m not even sure how it would jam.

[TheArcticFoxxo]

@kimpromo2

AFAIK the T-64/80 autoloader can cycle to the next round every 6.5 seconds (not counting aiming or the gun reverting to position)

The T-72 could as well, though I believe it’s used as a balancing factor as its “standard” loadout is technically mixed.

[kitsune_qq]

@TheArcticFoxxo

I’m not even sure how it would jam.

Simply not catch pallet, thats possible

[kitsune_qq]

Also, theres very good video about how MZ works, by Ukrainian tank crew.

Про "МЗ", механизм заряжания.

At 29:35 described that you still need to take pallet, which btw will give same reload on T-80(late models, like U/UD) as T-64. Only difference in them will be that T-64 might require way more time, simply just because cant remember all shells in MZ, while U/UD(also late T-64 modified by Ukraine) can do that and use reverse when that will be faster.

[kimpromo2]

the autoloader must be unreliable since the new tank has a different (false) reload speed

Man I love the War Thunder forums!

[Zhuleck]

you literally said nothing

@TheArcticFoxxo

Tier*

good job bro you got the auto correct

[TheArcticFoxxo]

No problem man

[Comrade_Jan]

Object 292 is one of the best tanks in game in my opinion

[RavenGuardMarine]

@Axzuel

@Zhuleck

the new autoloader “mechanism” that is just more hand holding for other nations

This is both a buff and nerf at the same time for those who have autoloaders. The buff is that it absorbs spalling and rounds which make the tanks that have them more survivable especially Russian/Chinese tanks since their main weakpoint is their poor survivability. The nerf is that its another thing to repair and disabling it means you can’t reload.

Yup, you can have a shot clear to the ammo carousel and it doesn’t detonate. You disable the auto loader, and still have the shot in barrel to return fire. The auto loader was a great survivability buff to T-series because I don’t see the same things happening to Japan or France.

[anastasia001122]

some ppl complain that rusia is overpowered that’s a new to see that ppl also complain that is too weak…

[luque13]

As someone who has just unlocked the Bhishma (T90A for Britain) wow even with Heatfs as stock its a monster its mobility stock is superior to the spaded Desert Warrior! It has great zoom the armour (man I forgot what having armour was like!)

I can only imagine the T-80BVM is a joy to play.

[БЕИ]

@jspene

Gaijin isn’t the one who designed T-72s and gave them such poor reverse performance.

Then who were to blamed the Abram turret ring situation? The designer or gaijin? lmao

[ueberman]

dude stop spreading bs around the forum. Chinese tanks dont have better protection then the russian ones, idk where you got that fantasy from. Depedning on BR they have either the same level or worse.

oh and btw I have top tier china, so dont even try to gaslight me or anyrhing. I, unlike you, have played them and know what Im talking about.