I’d say that it is actually quite reasonable to place tigris at 6.3. The problem is that it’s a premium vehicle in a Tech tree people don’t care about, and we know what is not going to happen…
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yeah moving the ost and west to 6.0 and the tigris to 6.3 would be the best option to avoid p2w
I can’t agree more.
These vehicles are fine where they are, aren’t these packs meant to add to lineups anyway?
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So does Tigris yet its the same BR as the Tiger E it is based on
They are worse than Tiger E
Tiger 1 is easily killable frontally in a full downtier, jumbo 76 often isn’t; IS-2 can lolpen pretty much anything at its BR and even higher BR heavy tanks
15mm of armor on SOME parts of the UFP is not that big of a deal. How are you not able to pen this?
Still pennable by the 75mm, and the 60mm lower side is still exposed.
It’s a 57 ton tank, shaped like a box.
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calm down lil bro. it’s a joke.
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In case you haven’t noticed, in real combat there are always angles. I’ll take KV-1E as an example so you might understand. Your argument goes the same for KV-1E, which seems to be penetrable by KWK40. However, it is actually one of the most broken vehicles at 4.0, often could withstand more than 10 KWK40 shots (this is based on my own KV-1E experience).
First, this goes for tech tree Tiger, not the pack tigers.
Second, Tiger 1 is more dangerous to its opponents even in full uptier, while Jumbo 76 don’t stand a chance against IS-3, or even Panther II / T-44-100. And IS-2 1943 is easily killable frontally in a full downtier too. Its reload compensates for the advantage of high power. If it’s an IS-3 we are talking about, I would not complain, because IS-3 is armored enough to stay alive till next round loaded. If it’s a T34/T29, I would not complain, because the reloading isn’t that long, and their armor is good enough. But it’s IS-2 1943 we are talking about now. Its Hull armor is weak and angle does not help much due to the shape and the lower part of hull armor. It needs the same track armor as IS-2 1944 or pack tigers to be classified as “good”. IS-2 1943’s mantlet armor is weaker than any Tiger, and it also has command tower weak spot. I would say it is still better than or at least as good as tech tree Tigers, but definitely not tigris or pack tigers.
Sadly they will never do it because it just gives too much money.
Makes no sense
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Let’s ruin the Tigris because…?
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It’s clearly better than the tech tree tiger e and moving it up would mean less p2w
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Tigris is one of the least convincing examples of p2w in the game. It’s already 6.0. It is NOT overpowered at 6.0. Moving it up WOULD remove it as a viable vehicle to play.
Point is, there are like 100+ vehicles that would see attention about being p2w before the Tigris would.
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The extra “armor” barely makes a difference, Track pieces have a much lower armor effectiveness than actual armor, In fact its 25% weaker than RHA, An effective +10mm of armor on a mostly flat surface barely changes anything.
And wood isn’t even 10mm worth, Wood has a modifier of x0.05 compared to RHA’s x1, That’s 95% worse, So 100mm of wood is more like 5mm, Which is even more pointless aside from being a standoff for low pen HEAT or HE.
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I thought it was a 0.1x multiplier?
Edit: I stand corrected, even if it was 0.1 it would not be enough to mak3 a change in br
HAHAHAHAHAHA what?
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This is also untrue though as volumetric matters a lot here plus even just adding that amount helps the Tiger since the Tiger is near a lot of pen thresholds at its BR and below.
As per your main post, I thought all germany mains were bad and didn’t know to angle? What changed?
One of the most popular sealclubber vehicles, of which I have since killed several in my 75mm Shermans. Gunner optic is a very reliable weakspot.
In any case, it’s an entirely different comparison. The KV-1E has much better armor and a much worse gun for its BR than the Tiger 1s - many vehicles at that BR will fail to pen an unangled KV-1E’s UFP, whereas at 6.0 you’d be hard pressed to find anything not using an autocannon that fails to pen the Tiger 1’s unangled UFP.
That’s called a “tradeoff”. A Jumbo 75 will be fantastic in a downtier but terrible in an uptier, a Maus will have a similar experience; in comparison, a vehicle like the M44 won’t be affected much since it will still die to machineguns and is capable of oneshotting everything it sees.
The Tiger 1 falls somewhere in the middle. The armor is worth more in downtiers, but never as frontally immune as the Jumbo is. The gun is better, but it’s not a HEAT-FS slinger and on an uptier you will meet:
…which the Tiger 1 also can’t do anything about unless you get his side, and then both Jumbo 76 and Tiger 1 can kill it.
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Their BRs are fine.
M4A3E2 has more armor than the Tiger 1s while having a similarly potent gun.
IS-2 has a vastly superior gun and superior armor.
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