I like this idea!
Actual skill issue. There is little to no angles at which you can’t pen a tiger even with the small sherman gun
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make this a proper suggestion post please
I love how people pretend that Tigers are literally invincible when angled against their contemporaries, and that therefore they should be upped in BR until they face even more Cold War HEATFS and ATGMs on faster or/and stronger machines, as well as postwar Super-Heavies that would wipe them down (like many 6.7-7.0s already do)…
When the truth is, many of its contemporary guns can go through it easily, sometimes even when angled. French 75s, 77s, 85s, 90s, 100s, 122s…
The Tigers are perfectly fine where they are. Just because their armor sometimes works against uptiered smaller guns when perfectly angled and positioned it does not mean they should be up-br’d until their armor is rendered entirely pointless by everything they face. It’s a HEAVY tank, for God’s sake! It’s suppossed to be able to rely on its armor at least to SOME degree against SOME of its counterparts.
And no, I don’t think they should go lower either, so I hope no one comes with the “hurr durr Tiger to 2.7 Germany suffers Main noob” and all those kinds of comments that always come whenever someone says that Tigers are fine where they currently are.
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The pack tigers are not. I already wrote about some test in custom battle and similar in-game experience. And I did not ask for any BR change of any Tech tree Tigers.
again, a skilled player should have no issues fighting them
This. tbh there isn’t enough of a difference between them and the tech tree tigers to make it worth while raising their BR.
if you cant pen the thing from the front engage your brain and flank?
its not hard.
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If “it’s a skilled player we are talking about”, what about having a skilled player in the pack tiger too? With enough skills you should know how to have enough angle to protect yourself while moving forward, just like skilled players do in a KV-1 in the face of Pz4s. And similar to what I say about Sherman I Composito, Sherman III/IV and KV-1E, I’d say that pack Tigers are p2w.
That sounds like a good reason to place Jagdtiger at 6.3, due to long reload and “blah blah just pen from the flank”.
Don’t be ridiculous.
Just stop talking and check it out. Perform the test with your friend, and draw your own conclusion. So far, I haven’t really seen anyone coming to me and say “hey I have tested it, and I still believe that this doesn’t change the thing, because…” If anyone really did this, I would be happy to discuss with him. Unfortunately, no one here really care about it.
Ah sure buddy. Man you remind me of those little tryhard kiddos in gta 5.
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Muh angles. Aim for the cupola or lower sides then
“Angled Tiger is OP and invincible, which is why it needs to go even higher in BR!”
Angled Tiger being OP and invincible:
Tiger I is perfectly killable by its contemporaries- sometimes, even angled. Tiger I does not need to face Postwar Super-Heavies or faster and stronger early Cold War MBTs/Light Tanks with HEATFS; its real, contemporary counterparts found on its own current BR ranges are more than enough already.
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Can we stay on topic and not have it turn in to a 1V1 in the forum’s, You guys can move it to DM’s if that’s what you want to do.
Just admit that people improve over time so they get better stats on recent vehicles. I dont think logs are p2w advantage that gives you 3 k/d.
Speaking of suggestion, I disagree because that extra protection doesnt change tigers survivability much. Jumbo will still go for cupola, t34-85 and long barrel guys for hull.
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I’m enjoying those premium tigers, it’s like Seal club momentum with my Centurion mk.1
The hull. I’d say that additional armor can make more difference than you thought, especially when the angle is around 30 degrees. This makes angle a tactic easy to use and much more effective than before in many scenarios. 6.3 would be too high, I wrote that paragraph before tesing the vehicle in custom battle and realizing tracks are 0.5x, then I forgot to remove that paragraph. But 6.0 is fair, I’d say.
I only talk about KD after certain players start trash talking “skill issue” blah blah and ignore all the things I wrote.
And you ignore that The specific line I wrote was about pack tigers. Stop wasting my time.
Just a tiny smidge of an angle and the hull is already impenetrable to the Pz IV.
You can go further and get 180mm effective at its thinnest, with the only hull weakspots being two extremely small and volumetric bounce-prone gaps on the MG ball and driver port.
Meanwhile Tiger ^^
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Meanwhile, KV-1E have difficulty penetrating Pz4H’s hull at 3.7, not to mention Sherman I Composito at 3.7, Sherman III/IV at 3.7.All of which are 3.7 medium tanks. And tiger, on the other hand, can penetrate IS-2 1944’s mantlet and capula, as well as T34’s hull MG and lower front plate, Both of which are 6.7 heavy tanks. Same goes for T29, a 7.0 premium heavy tank.
And on the picture you post, it is obvious that this pack tiger has angled too much. With less angle the front armor would already be able to prevent any D-5T or M1 penetration. And that is why I consider pack tigers p2w.
A shot from Su-85 at 500m distance. The ammunition is BR-365. No penetration.
If you don’t understand How much 15mm of armor could change the thing, check IS-2 1944’s lower front plate. Analyze it with Panther. Check the difference between the part protected by additional armor and the part that is unprotected.
Turret face is 50mm flat
No mention of the actually american shermans? They all struggle against the KV-1E’s armor more than the KV-1E against them.
*get stuck on volumetric
Lower plate only at a very favorable angle
It is maximizing front and side armor, being ~180mm effective on the corner.
Pretty weird you don’t show the impact angle or protection equivalent. You could just aim for the sections without tracks:
You know, the same way people have to aim for the KV-1E’s sections without add-on armor.
Or you could shoot the gigantic lighthouse on top of it.
Or just get closer like everyone else instead of complaining about a few extra degrees where the pack Tigers MIGHT stop a shell or two that the H1 might have stopped regardless
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