tell me what were the main reasons for why the tiger 2 didnt win germany the second world war.
Too heavy, too slow, not a sherman.
The reason why they are a lot slower now than they were before in WT is because gaijin used the horsepower stats for the ungoverned Maybach HL230 engine which could output 700HP. the Tiger E and all tiger 2s were fitted with a HL230 with a power governor limiting it to 600HP to make these notoriously unreliable engines last a bit longer.
Tiger E is still incorrectly using a 700hp engine, it should be reduced to 600hp for historical correctness
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Blatantly wrong, they were almost light tank fast before, now they are only a bit slower than a Centurion over most terrain but handle turning like the 70-ton lump they really are. still more than mobile enough to be offensive, if anything it can be seen as a buff to the average brainless german main as their gun will be more stable from going slower
their gun is still brillant, equal to the american heavies in firepower but with double the fire rate and equally good armour protection.
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So, since Germany lost the war, make sure that players lose battles here too. It seems logical . Then, when I stop playing Germany and War Thunder, there will be a reason. Keep weakening Germany… and leave Russian and American tanks fast and impenetrable.
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Format: 35kph, traverse time.
Max driver & commander leadership, no expert crew.
Tiger 2H: 26/27.
31
Tiger 2 SLA: 25.
24/25.
T26E5: 14.
14.
T34: 11
30.
IS-2: 13
12
Super Pershing: 17
13.
M6A2E1:
9 seconds to 29.
34 seconds to traverse.
Heavy tanks universally over-performed in acceleration before TIger 2’s changes, now they may still over-perform or they may be accurate.
It’s one step closer to more accurate mobility in tanks.
I wonder if the maus used a 600hp engine as well…🤔
Im all for as many accuracy nerfs and buffs to all else too, im not being a hater. a lot of german tanks are from when ground battles launched so are very inaccurate at times. a lot of us are trying to fix that with reports now.
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Maus used the Daimler-Benz MB 517, not a maybach HL230 so it wont see these changes
Are you truly saying that the pre-nerf Tiger II’s came close to having light tank mobility?
If so, there’s got to be some kind of disconnection from reality at play here.
‘‘A bit’’ ?
The Centurion has 2.5x faster acceleration, that’s like saying a IS-3 is ‘‘only a bit slower’’ than a Leopard 1 MBT.
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Oh well, the price of having a 70t heavy tank over having a 46t heavy tank.
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Wake me up when the Tiger IIs winrate, kills per spawn, kills per death start dropping.
That’s how we’ll know if the mobility nerf is actually ‘killing your boi’ (it won’t, but okay).
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and its op voulmetric turret and its post war round
None of the vehicles mentioned fit that description.
Tiger 2[P] and IS-2 are lower-protection turrets that are volumetric, but the lower protection is notably worse than Tiger 2H’s turret.
And IS-2’s round is average for 6.7.
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it’s really easy, The nerf was unneeded as the tanks werent actually “dominating”, just strong, and now the tanks are simply worse than the competition, does that help?
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mainly because singular tank designs do not impact wars alone? you can’t say any specific vehicle “won the war”…
You are usually wrong but this takes the cake of a extremely ignorant take.
Blatantly false.
He is. He’s delusional.
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its really easy, dont think of it like a nerf, its a fix to something that wasnt accurate, and all such cases are needed
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It is a nerf whether you want to think otherwise or not. Something being made worse is factually a nerf regardless of the reasoning used. I am fine with vehicles being made historical, but gaijin is not suddenly finding out their Tiger 2 horsepower was wrong.
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yes average for 6.7 hence why its 6.7 not average for a lower BR and its IS2 1944 very volumetricy and the gun has insane angle performance turret specfically the optic likes to eat rounds its armor is finicky
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there about as mobile as over medium tank thats all ? tiger 2 has similar mobility to sherman jumbo no where near a light tank
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Tiger 2 has similar mobility to bunkers, not Shermans. Even before the mobility nerf, it was only ever an equivalent to something like the T29/T34 which aren’t that fast either, and worse than things like the IS-1/2, which again, are not the fastest.
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Well… they are suppossed to be slower than medium tanks because on the other hand they are suppossed to be much tougher than medium tanks; yet because of the firepower of the opponents they are forced to face, they end up being nothing but just slower medium tanks…
Cold War HEATFS and ATGMs, postwar APDS and auto-overpressure present-day HE slingers everywhere, rendering all that armor it sacrificed all of its mobility for automatically obsolete.
If heavy tanks were slower but stronger tanks, it would be fine. The point is to sacrifice mobility for protection after all.
The problem is that, in War Thunder, for the most part, “heavy” tanks function just like slower medium tanks. They get the worse mobility… but not the improved survivability that the sacrifice in mobility was meant to bring.
For example, compare Tiger II (P) to T-54 or M48; both tanks which have just about as good armor if not better, but also SIGNIFICANTLY better mobility and enough firepower to slice through the Tiger. What’s the point of the “heavy tank” here when it’s facing MBTs that just wipe the floor with it? And that’s not even bringing out the HEATFS/ATGM/modern overpressure HE stuff.
And that’s when people say “just don’t spawn heavy tanks in uptiers” like it’s an acceptable compromise/solution.
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