Have fun notching a Meteor when its above you going over mach 4
Compression is definitely a big issue. But sadly Gaijin will never fix this because it will negatively impact queue time. (Who actually cares about queue time if it will make the match they play more fun?)
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Gaijin will earn more of a profit by adding 5th gen first than fixing 4.5.
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Not sure what you think the meteor is, its no faster than your average missile it just burns for longer due to its ram jet. at the ranges and altitudes people play at in war thunder as long as your missile can have decent speed at 60km its gonna be just as good.
I think it will be a game changing addition, so much at a point to matchmaking be terrible for whoever soul even thought about existing there that isn’t something between F-22 Raptor to J-20 Chengdu. But I think Gaijin may find a way or another to fit middle term aircraft that is effective enough to compete against these top machines.
Stealth still a very early mechanic in-game, F-117 Nighthawk get itself some hiccups and pop in the radar some times, RAH-44 Comanche, I don’t know but it should be more effective, personally I think F-35 Lightning should be more stealthy than Su-57 Felon, but both being multirole fighter jet, may be on par, but is widely known that Su-57 as 5th-generation airplane lacks a lot in this regard when compared to more advanced machinery like F-22 and J-20, for this, Su-57 will be the ‘grand-master’ when comes to electronic warfare.
Me, personally I’ll put my bets on J-20, apparently it has larger weapons count when compared to others, somewhat near Su-57 electronic warfare and maybe F-22’s of combat capabilities, it is, a middle ground in the 5th-generation airplanes, meaning F-35 is far behind but is far from bad.
The J-20 has an internal missile count of 4 half that of the F-22 and even less than the SU-57 meaning for it to have any longevity in a war thunder match it would need to give up stealth to do so i dont see it beeing all that meta in a war thunder environment.
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I’m totally for their introduction, anyone should be so gaijin can inevitably take that U-turn back towards Century series aircraft and other stuff they missed.
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You’re confusing peak speed with sustained kinetic energy. While both an AMRAAM and Meteor can hit Mach 4 (4.5 in Meteor’s case), they have completely different energy profiles. AMRAAM is a boost and glide weapon; it burns for roughly 7-10 seconds and then glides to the target and the moment the rocket/sustainer burns out, it starts to lose speed due to drag and essentially becomes a gliding brick down range.
The Meteor doesn’t just ‘burn longer’. MBDA officially states its speed in excess of Mach 4 with some technical data placing its terminal intercept speed at Mach 4.5. Because its ramjet is throttlable, it can cruise at Mach 3-4 and then accelerate during terminal phase. While the acceleration isn’t a ‘snap’ like dual-pulse propelled missiles like PL-15, the constant thrust makes it much harder to kinematically defeat.
At the 60 km mark you mentioned, the Meteor is still under power with at least 3x the NEZ of other missiles. Basically, in WT, a missile that can maintain energy in a turn or however many turns is always going to be fundamentally superior to one that’s just coasting to Narnia.
Lastly… the airframes launching Meteor’s has some of the best radars in the world. You’re unlikely to defeat a Meteor at WT ranges if they (bar the Rafale) can keep guiding even in the notch.
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Su57 electronic warfare kit has nothing on the F35s. Also if they add the EA-18 Growler then its game over for all 4th gens
I was smiling then realized Im still at american prop air.
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im not saying it wont have more energy than other missiles at those ranges just the simply fact that long range shots arnt that effective in war thunder in the first place unless the other player is AFK, so ranges of like 200km kinda don’t matter as much as people think it will unless the devs make missiles at range un-notchable the micas are prob still gonna be more meta than the Meteor
Idk man, throttlabale ramjets aren’t anything too insane. I’d bet they won’t be too insanely meta, and who knows if gaijin will actually model them properly since as far as I know, only Europeans and the Russians actually have had proper implementations of ramjets in their missiles
It will be a balancing nightmare.
If they tune the stealth to be suepr effective. They will dominate, and we’ll return to flying at treetop level waiting for the merge to happen so maybe some aircraft can do something
If they tune stealth so its not that effective. The US mains will complain constantly and likely most of the 5th gens wont really change much.
Dreading the Su-57 getting DIRCM among other things and just being unkillable too.
They are going to have to get stealth right, the flat introduction of AESA for most (soon to be all) nations definetly indicates they are aware of this, but time will tell.
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DIRCM will be one of the quirks of it for sure, though I’m sure they’ll fix how many missiles it can blind relevant to how many lasers it has, also the 360° radar coverage will be nice.
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Im betting they wont.
It will be immune to IIR missiles (which shoudlnt be affected anyway, regardless of whether or not they limit the lasers)
It will probably be the hardest to lock onto with radar/radar guided weapons
Probably have the best missiles
Evidence. Just look at the state of the BMPT dominating 10.3+
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this still exist anyway
But too a far far more extreme degree.
At the moment, I spend 90% of the match in the Typhoon at 20-30k ft. But if Gen 5s just cannot be targeted, even by AESA, at any meaningful range… I will have no choice but to either be perpetually on the defensive, or resort to Terrain masking tactics to get closer
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thats how it will likely be for top tier as stealth planes are near unlockable F15s got merked by F22s couldnt even see them before the F22 does
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I question how a modern AESA should perform, but that is irrelevant. This is a game.
So do they make it so that all top tier is is Gen 5s firing at Gen 4s with absolute immunity or do they balance it so that Gen 5s have reduced RCS making defending easier, but can still be targetted just fine.
Though we do know that IRST is highly effective agaisnt Gen 5s. So systems like PIRATE would be usable.
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yea with stealth IRST would be meta