Simply The Ariete AMV is 11.0 material max, same with the base Ariete and the PSO. It literally has to be a joke to have them at such a high Br. The only thing about them that is on Par with other MBT’s their Br is the pen and only that. The armor can be described as well, not armor. The OF-40 has no armor but high mobility and thats how you have to play most vehicles it the Italian part of the tech tree. But the Ariete has less mobility and much less armor, the AMV is using the same internal armor as the 10.7 Ariete(p). But what does the Ariete have going for it, literally nothing.
M1A2 SEP V2 has 800mm NERA on both Turret cheeks 300-350 on the sides of the turret and 360 on the hull
And the Ariete AMV? 220mm on both turret cheeks, and that all the NERA it has, Still using Spaced armor on the turret sides and on the hull.
They both have a 1500Hp engine And the Abrams being 2mph faster
but what about it compared to other tanks.
Leopard 2A7V seems to have 1500mm of NERA on the Right Turret Cheek and 585 on the right, 230mm on the turret sides and up to 520 on the hull.
But what about mobility, both 1500hp and Ariete 2mph faster.
Leopard also has a spall liner
Challenger 3 Td has 400mm NERA on both cheeks 230mm on the sides 200 on hull a better round and is at 11.7 but is 3mph slower than Ariete and much less Hp but it also has a spall liner on the front of hull
TKXX has up to 565 on either cheek and 540 on the hull, has a slightly worse round but a 4 second reload and the best mobility so far at 44mph with about the same Hp as challenger
VT4A1 is a strange one, 300mm NERA on the cheeks but another 180mm ke protection from ERA, 260 on the hull aswell as the ERA, with 44mph aswell as an APS
Leclerc Azur 550+ on turret cheeks, 500 on hull and 250 on turret sides
It has an auto loader like the TKXX but only at 5 seconds but has the highest top speed so far at 45mph
the Merkava Mk.4M has up to 600mm on the turret but very angled aswell as 50 on the hull also with a crazy angle but this also has 400mm NERA on the sides of the hull. It has an APS and clocks out at 40mph
Russia is weird,
T-80BVM has 120mm Quartz core sandwiched between two ~200mm homogeneous armor and era the claims 250mm Ke Protection on the turret the hull has 5 layers of armor that goes
High hardness rolled armor 50mm
Textolite 30mm
High hardness rolled armor 50mm
Textolite 30mm
High hardness rolled armor 50mm
As well as the 250mm Ke protection ERA
Top speed of 43mph
The only thing the ariete does better than just a few of them is pen, still having less pen than the leopard the Challenger And the Abrams
Why the hell is the Ariete AMV at 12.0
I would rather play the Leopard 2A4 at 12.0 and I often do.
The wall of text you made comparing the Ariete MBT with others in same BR range are just on paper. Lets take the Type 10 you described as example: “up to 565 mm on each cheek”; it doesn’t mean will protect as that, because if it was, the Leopard 2A7V and the M1A2 SepV2 would be between the best armored top tier vehicles, and they’re, problem is, all those numbers are illusory.
I always woundered how 3 thin steel plates with some insulator material in between (you can buy it in most hardware DIY stores, its less than rubber). How can this array bounce KE darts (ingame?).
yeah but the Challenger at least has armor on the hull and protected ammo with blowout panel. It has a longer gun and higher pen with DM53. And both at 15 ready rounds.
Thats 1 tank out of Britains 4 Challenger 2.
The rest have L27 with 4 rounds at 4,5 seconds and after that its a 6/7 second reload depending on skill.
They also have WW2 tank levels mobility.
Ariete/Leclerc and the Cr2 all need massive reworks
I would also add the best CR2 variant is the 2E…not because of the armour or the fire power but the mobility that 1500hp engine makes all the difference
The Ariete AMV, Ariete (base), and Ariete PSO all have a maximum material thickness of 11.0.
Their 12.0 BR is unjustifiably high. The only thing on par with other MBTs at that BR is their penetration.
The armor is practically non-existent. The OF-40 relies on high mobility to compensate for its lack of armor, a common trait in the Italian tech tree. However, the Ariete has less mobility and even less armor. The AMV uses the same internal armor as the 10.7 Ariete(p).
The Ariete has no redeeming qualities.
M1A2 SEP V2: 800mm NERA on turret cheeks, 300-350mm on turret sides, 360mm on hull. 1500hp engine, 2mph faster than Ariete.
Ariete AMV: 220mm NERA on turret cheeks, spaced armor on turret sides and hull. 1500hp engine.
Leopard 2A7V: 1500mm NERA on right turret cheek, 585mm on left, 230mm on turret sides, up to 520mm on hull. 1500hp engine, Ariete is 2mph faster. Spall liner.
Challenger 3 Td: 400mm NERA on both cheeks, 230mm on sides, 200mm on hull. Better round than Ariete. 11.7 BR, 3mph slower, less hp. Spall liner on hull front.
TKXX: Up to 565mm on either cheek, 540mm on hull. Slightly worse round, 4-second reload, best mobility at 44mph. Similar hp to Challenger.
VT4A1: 300mm NERA on cheeks, additional 180mm KE protection from ERA. 260mm on hull with ERA. 44mph, APS.
Leclerc Azur: 550+mm on turret cheeks, 500mm on hull, 250mm on turret sides. Autoloader (5-second reload), 45mph top speed.
Merkava Mk.4M: Up to 600mm on turret (angled), 50mm on hull (angled), 400mm NERA on hull sides. APS, 40mph.
T-80BVM: 120mm Quartz core with ~200mm homogeneous armor and ERA (250mm KE protection) on turret. Complex hull armor with 5 layers (including 250mm KE protection ERA). 43mph.
The Ariete’s only advantage over some tanks is penetration, which is still lower than the Leopard, Challenger, and Abrams.
The Ariete AMV’s 12.0 BR is nonsensical. The Leopard 2A4 is a preferable choice at 12.0.
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even with the current armor the amv is not an 11.0 vehicle, let alone a “11.0 max material”, and in my opinion neither does the pso or the regular ariete, so dont over exaggerate it doesnt help your narrative
Arietes suffer from Gaijinery, their armor is simply not even close to what it should be. The very base Ariete should have about the same protection as a Leo 2A4. Also, the PSO armor pack and WAR armor pack cannot be put together in WT, which is of course absolutely wrong.
I don’t understand why Gaijin won’t at least give it some actual armor until and if we get more detailed numbers. What we have right now is just absolutely made up and makes no sense. I mean, fuck, the tank weights 54 tons BASE, how can it have so much less armor than the ten tons lighter Type 10? It’s not like there is anything heavy, there is no autoloader, no hydraulic suspension… Gaijin was smoking some weird shit while modeling the armor of the Ariete.
If only the M1A2s actually had 800mm KE protection. The numbers are more like ~650mm KE on the turret cheeks (which is still ~35% less than it should be), and I think ~400mm KE for the Ariete’s turret cheeks (which is still ~170-200mm less than it should be).
Do you mean it should be higher than 11.0 (assuming DM53 is removed)?
Did you even read his post?, he is claiming that “The Ariete AMV is 11.0 material max”, nowhere does he says without dm 53, besides even his it “historical” ammo the AVM wouldnt be 11.0 either, would be basically equivalent to the m1a1 which it is at 11.3.