Experimental data and simulations in reality have shown that this composite armor can provide a KE value of 500-550mm when tilted at 68 degrees (Russians seem to have tested it using standard APFSDS such as M111), and it maintains this level in games. The rest of the KE protection is provided by explosive reactive armor, which is not surprising.
I think the problem lies in Gaijin’s belief that all countries should have their own top tier tanks, so many tanks that are clearly not sufficient at this BR have come here through some ‘balancing measures’.
Uh… The CR3TD does have better cheek armour but it also has a Giant hole between them that is a guranteed one shot.
The rest of the armour provides little more protection that is afforded the Ariete.
The Spall liner barely works and is most notably missing from the turret. 1 hit there and you are dead as previously mentioned
The Ariete is faster, not by much, but enough for it to be a notable advantage.
The Ariete has the exact same round as the Challenger 3 TD, but the Ariete has a 5 second reload. the CR3TD is 6 second reload
So Ariete AMV vs CR3TD… Id just barely give the Ariete the win.
CR2s are a little better in terms of survivability, but have a worse shell, worse sustained fire rate and are slower (quite a bit slower for the up armoured ones)
But ultimately… GRB is compressed, half the tanks you mentioned in this thread shouldnt be anywhere near a Leopard 2A7. Its not just the Arietes suffering at the moment.
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Good job dude you’ve realised that the Ariete doesn’t have any armor…
It’s still a better tank than any Challenger, Chinese MBT, Merkavas, and maybe for me than the T-80BVM, it has good mobility, the 3rd best round of the entire game, a really good turret traverse, etc etc…
Just really no armor, do not get touched by any mean
For balance reasons, since if it keeps CL3143 it will have to stay at a higher BR than the vehicle really warrants.
there is no reason for it to be lock with just dm 33 or dm 23 as you want, fist of all it would remove any viability for them to perform as a second spawn vehicle for the leopard 2a7, second the cl3143 is a historical round, just because you want them to have them at a lower br doesnt meant that the vehicle warrants as a low of br, for balance reason it should keeep the cl3143, with it they would be able to go down a br step or maybe two without much of an issue, and perform better than they currently do.
It never really had viability for that in the first place, though, since the AMV is just the worst top tier MBT. At least if they dropped to 10.7/11.0 then all of the Arietes could make a good lineup.
as a second spawn the ariete amv is more than viable, being the worst tank in top tier doesnt make it completely unusuable at top tier, removing the dm53 and cl3143 would.
Italy can already make pretty good line up a line up at 10.7… again it would serve no purpose to have 4 arietes at the same br, when you could also make line ups at 11.3 where you actially have a pretty decent cas and the centauro 120 and the otomatic, and having an usuable second spawn with the top tier leopard 2a7, not to mention that neither would actually be 10.7 as they are all better than the ariete p in many ways like reload, thermals, lws…
An there is also the fact that they used the cl3143 so there is no reason to remove it or not giving it back to the ariete and the ariete PSO.
Ya like for example the a majority of T-80 Russian tanks or just say T-80UM2 it has those rubber flaps “Rubber Fabric screens”(10mm) on the front of the turret but it stops a 12mm round from a gun or a HEATFS round and its only a 10mm(1 Cm or 1/3 of inch) flap of rubber HaHaHa my BB gun can go through a flap of rubber that thick. Just remember this is a video game and none of this stuff is accurate and I’m sure you know this from playing the length of time you have been in this game. They might as well start putting in fake tanks and planes in the game because where is the actual line of what’s realistic in this game and what’s not? Oh that’s right there is none.
But you make a great point because there plenty and I mean plenty of questionable things in this game and those questionable things leave it open for them to have things to fall back on if there are any problems so it leaves a gray area.
Challenger 3TD does not have blowout panels.
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The only top tiers Italy has access to are the AMV, 2A7HU, and some CAS planes, so it’s not like there was much of a lineup in the first place. Making a really strong 10.7, 11.0, or even 11.3 as Italian “top tier” is imo the better option (at least until they decide to fix the Ariete’s armor, add the B2 Centauro, add a real top tier SPAA, etc.).
I would rather play anything else that is 12.0 than the AMV