This has to be the most redundant and useless vehicle in the game

What is the point of it? its just a worse challenger 2, Worse armor, worse gun, the Sights are useless due to the horrible way the Reticle is set up.

And i can’t help but notice that the Breach legit never stops a round (a problem with every Challenger) Yet if you mantlet shot a Abrams? Or a Russian T Series, Or a leopard 2? The breach almost EVERY time stops the round dead before it hurts anyone inside.

yet with all of the challengers rounds will just blow straight through the Mantlet, the Breach, and then clean into atleast 2 of the crew.

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Could be 11.7 with regular Chally 2s.

nah, its just a worse C2. Its should be 11.3.

Worse reload, armor, everything.

It has higher penetration yes, But the shells do fuck all for damage, compared to L27A1 which is basically a nuke shell.

Shouldn’t be, 10.3s have no business facing this thing, same for 10.7s against a full team of CR3s.

More penetration = more spall, it’s in the game’s code.

You also have the problem of Mantlet penetrations almost always hitting and detonating the ammo in the rear of the turret, and since it doesn’t have a Blowout panel you just die.

Wha?
Currently testing that, brb.

Challenger 3 TD has a German L55 gun, with a ready rack in the back of the turret, that has no blow out pannels. So any round that penetrates your mantlet has a high chance of just hitting that ammo rack and tossing your turret.

Basically, if you shoot the loaders side of the turret, its just instant death.

Not even close

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Okay, did a good 30+ rounds of testing.

Loader side of the breach is a 50-50 between breach + loader OR ammorack death

Gunner side of the breach is a 80-20 between breach + gunner/commander OR breach

Below the barrel is a 90-10 between crew knockout OR breach

Above the barrel is a 60-40 between breach OR 1-2 crew + breach

That is a funny meme vehicle tho.

Not something serious, the Challenger 3 is meant to be a Serious vehicle, yet its just a worse challenger 2.

It is only “a funny meme” because it is SO useless that it was removed from new acquisition until you’ve gotten to rank 2 in the French TT - it is worse than redundant!

The Ch 3 is only another bad tank - it isn’t bad enough to be a meme!

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Yes I thought of that one too - but it is arguably better than the FCM since the rockets have 600g TNT equivalent and an actually achieve over-pressure damage and kill light vehicles!!

Plus it didn’t get hidden/semi-removed

But definitely still useless!

Yeah…

It was good, then it got nerf after nerf and now? Its one of the weakest top tier MBTs in game.

Such a shame.

At a minimum, it needs a 5 second reload. Make it a direct firepower upgrade over the CR2s if nothing else, but even with that buff… id be hard pressed to argue that it should be 12.0. Could also do with DM63, might help its survivability a bit.

But quite frankly, the moment they started to nerf it like mad, it should have been replaced by the Challenger 3 Prototype-4, an actually combat cabale variant of the CR3

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The issue is that the CR3TD has no turret spall liners at all and all the ammo is in the turret. If a shell pens. Its probably taking out the ammo rack which is a OHK. It also has the old Chally 2 damage model for the Mantlet which isnt great either.

The combo means that a shell that pens the turret from the front, kills 99% of the time. The only saving grace of the CR3TD is decent turret cheeks, but that is about it

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iirc it’s the lightest Challenger 2 platform next to the 2E and it comes with a firepower upgrade (even if the reload is a downgrade), there’s a few reasons to play it over the 2F and certainly TES.

Redundant and Useless top tier awards are more suited for something like the SEP V2 (just a worse SEP, tho it’s going on a diet next patch; might make it more viable) and T-72B3A (12.3 for some reason).

Its actually worse in tank on tank combat vs T-72B3. Why it’s 12.3 and not 11.7, I have 0 idea.
Another funny joke is the VT4A1 being 12.7 instead of 12.3 like ZTZ99A and WZ1001.

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it never should have been ADDED, the 130 should be in its place. With all of the assumptions about the armor.
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a reinforced, composite armored Mantlet INCLUDED.

the 130 also apparently had a new powerpack, and MAYBE Hydro-pneumatic suspension?


As it looks like its sitting alot lower than a C2 normally does.

The 130 i think should be the Ultimate Challenger in game (which is what they tried to make the C3 TD, But then it got majorly nerfed)

Even if its just a test bed, its a REAL and functional tank, which is alot more than you can say about some Soviet Equipment in game.

I quite like the 3TD…Just saying though replace the stock sight with the Chally 2 sight in the custom scopes and you’re golden the round fires so flat anyway the default sight is cursed.