MiG-25 was designed as high speed high altitude interceptor… you want to say it cant do exactly this? (Not speaking about the game for it will be most likely plays like F-104, but without a gun and with a hard requirement for high altitude flight…)
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yea and im guessing the mig25 would sit around 11.0 - 12.0 depending on which missile it gets
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yea mb, i guess it can do what its specifically designed for, which is fast high alt flights. i was thinking about the mig25 lore/propaganda during my earlier statement
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I want this
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It wont be limited to 4Gs ingame. That flight envelope only exists in the manual for risk of aileron reversals due to the amount of wing flex. Not only does this phenomenom not exist ingame, it is irrelevant when mouse aim gives every aircraft fly-by-wire.
It would get 1.5x its max G overload, same as every other aircraft ingame.
As others have already said, the Foxbat needs a lot of room to stretch it’s legs. There isn’t room in regular War Thunder maps, and there is little purpose in climbing either, and few targets to intercept.
Bigger maps and longer lasting matches would be needed, as well as making PVE combat (interception of bombers) more relevant. As you know, current Air RB is PVP team deathmatch.
In other words, we need Enduring Confrontation for Air RB :)
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Iirc that 4Gs is on for airframe reasons, and if it was that’d limit you to 6Gs. Which is abysmal. I mean even the Tornado can outpull you now.
You recall wrong. The 4G number in the manual is only due to the rism of aileron reversals.
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shall I say so is the f117 is garbage at everything including stealth but it was added that because “oh everyone was begging for it” and here we are its basically dead now but it fits a niche just like the Foxbat likely would it wouldn’t be seen as the top dog but I’m sure people that love the Foxbat like me WANT TO SEE IT in the tech tree or as an event vehicle unlike the copy paste vehicles we keep getting not different I thought event vehicles where for vehicles that wouldn’t fit in the tech tree but here we are copying the same f-5 body with oh wow a new type of missile but everything else is the same interesting
The F-117 was only added so it could be a test mule for modeling future stealth airframes.
But it would be cool and nice to have in cinematics vs the f15
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Yea but then they could add the mig 31 but that will intreduce r37 missils for russia and the fa18 with aim 158(dont remember the name) and they have a longer range than any aircraft radar have on the aircraft
I think practically they should just add the MiG-31, as, I believe it was really what the Foxbat was supposed to be in the first place. If the 25 is added, its like playing an F-104 but really even worse. Soooo, it really wouldn’t be effective, like at all. Personally, I don’t think the foxbat should ever be added as it would be just as bad in game as in real life because it suffered from not only mechanical issues but also being a crappy plane overall, But I can see the MiG-31 being introduced with the addition of missiles such as the R-37M or likewise.
I mean for its time the radar on it was pretty powerfull but the mig 31 is everything that the foxbat was not. Still with the 4g max overload and after the 1.5 it becaumes 6 gs that still is not that much but keep in mind that the f104 has a max overload of 7gs. So it would turn a litle worse than an 104 but would have decent missils and would be at a good br of 11.0
I think your perspective that such a plane could go at 11.0 is very skewed. Likely, they’ll put it anywhere from 12.7-13.3, if they ever add it. Farming kills in a foxbat while sitting at mach 3 so nobody can kill you is insane. just IMAGINE the amount of complaints with a MiG-25 at the same BR as the F-5E. If they ever decided to add it to the game I’d pray they don’t put it at a BR where it can literally just run away from everything.
Yea but you face aircraft at that br with radar missils like the f4e i mean the missils dont go that far yet from frontal it will hit and your forgeting that you cant even out turn an aim 9b so you would have to fly fast yet there are aircraft with aim 9Ls and other good missils. So if i was gaijin i would put it at a br of 11.0 to 12.0 because at 13.3 you would be versing aircraft that have fox 3 missils with ranges well over 40km range like the peonix or fakour 90. I would still say that if the foxbat was running away and an eurofighter was hunting it from behind the aim 120b would probs only be able to catch it at a range of 9km or 8km away otherwise it would just outrun it. And if the foxbat went mach 3 it would burn up its engines and have to skrap them so your max speed would be 2.83
Imagine you’re flying your foxbat and you have two R-40T and two R-40R missiles (which can turn 25G and go around mach 3.5) and are going about mach 2. First off (assuming the plane doesn’t have flares), you see a plane with radar missiles, about 7 KM out. You launch a missile, pitch up your nose, and if you need to turn around while SUSTAINING about mach during that turn. Their missiles simply cannot catch you. I don’t think this needs that much explanation but a German F-104G sits at 11.0. the F-104 ASA sits at 12.0. Neither of those planes hold the capability to kill a passive Mig-25 player, and if they don’t want to die, they WONT die. They can go climb miles above the airfield and play very passively all game, and without it facing Fox-3 missiles, it just promotes this behavior. So, to sum up my thoughts, they should add a variant with Chaff and Flares (as there are variants able to) and put it at 12.3 or 12.7. But even then it still promotes passive aggressive flying… So?
Thats fair it does have a max altitude of 38km so it could go as high as it wants but if it was 7km away from you and moving towards you at an angle it would still hit if they both were at the same altitude or a 5 km altitude differens
Im a litle with you at a br of 12.3 to 12.7 it would have a chance of versing for 3 missils and would be a good br for it but being an aircraft that has a max g of 6gs in game it would have no chance to dogfight and would have to rely on its speed to win.
if you pull a missile vertically and sustain high speeds, once it stops burning it loses speed very quickly. I’m serious, I don’t think missiles would be able to hit it, unless they are Fox-3 missiles or are very fast like the R-27 missiles.
yeah but when an F-104C does that, its also pretty effective and annoying. Now imagine having to hit a Mig-25 with guns or get lucky with a missile