In your eyes (and i ask this to others who play this BR reguarly), what do you see as appropriate BR’s for these Korean things?.
When i look at the tree’s, man. It’s so compressed. I know the whole ‘Dominate downtiers / Suffer in uptiers’ is a ubiquitous reality for everything in WT, but it looks particularly rough in this area of the BR spread.
Where in 8.3/8.7/9.0 is their home?
IMO, we should be able to get semi-historical MM+historical maps switch, just like the current night games and 12v12.
I’d play that. 12v12 and historical MM would be peak.
Correct, and people were also just far better on average. The average pilot could tell you far more about his jet than today.
You have to specify jets.
Yes and that is what needs to be addressed. The game needs massive decompression in jets.
Even worse than that, it was MiG-17 which was added after as a counter to Hunter lol.
Imagine if you play Hunter F.1 but, see MiG-17 and CL-13A Mk.5 as enemy 💀
At the least, I learned to reverse against MiG-17s, but if a CL-13A was in my 6, it was basically death sentence.
Couldn’t agree more. Hadn’t payed any attention to this area for years but, reading your post and looking at the trees. Had no idea it had gotten that bad. The uptiers from 8.7-9.0 to 9.7-10.0 look savage. The downtiers from 8.0-8.3 to 7.0-7.3 look like bullying.
Absolutely zero breathing room for anything to be comfortable anywhere.
Probably up to 12.0 BR would be a very interesting game just like…
US vs Russia (North Korea) in Korea map.
US vs Russia (or maybe China) in Vietnam map.
Israel vs Russia (Arab League) in Sinai map.
Russia vs China in Damansky Island if we gets the map.
Also, classic blue team vs red team.
Realest thing I’ve seen today
The saggitario 2 really, really confuses me.
From how I understand it, it’s basically a native italian equivalent to the F86A5 and Mig15 or maybe the Bis variant.
In ARB, it’s at 9.3 - same BR as the F3H demon with its radar missiles, radar and all that. It’s kind of irrelevant.
In air sim OTOH, it’s for some absurd reason 8.0 (while the sabres and migs are 8.3 and 8.7, horton is 7.7 and f9f-5 is 8.3)
I think it could probably do with having its BR in ARB reduced to match the mig15Bis/Fsabres.
And in sim its BR increased to match them as well.
You don’t understand it then unfortunately. It easily defeats these other jets. Sagg is about an equivalent to something like a CL13 Mk5/6 or a MiG17PF while the Ariete is the best subsonic jet in the game at dogfighting.
This makes its 8.0 sim placement even more confusing then, as a5 sabre is 8.7 in comparison.
sim BRs dont make any sense period, F-4J (UK) which is the literal worst phantom at that BR in all respects is actually 0.7br ABOVE the FG.1 and FGR.2 and I think even the american phantoms
There are no “minor nations”.
Germany: Mig-15.
Japan: F-86.
Italy: F-86, Mig-17.
Sweden: A32A.
Israel: A-4H.
France: F-86, Alpha Jet.
China: Mig-15, Mig-17, F-100, F-86.
Britain: Swift F7.
Every tech tree in War Thunder has things that were moved down or kept down because of the F-86 and Mig-15 changes.
Points 1, 3, 4, and 5 are perfectly valid otherwise.
My Venom FB.4 and Hunter F.1 have literally been sitting in the same BR since 2019.
Also, the old 9.0s should never have been changed BR in the first place.
What matters that each nation has F-86/MiG-15? The point is their analogues did not get the same treatment.
I mentioned analogues.
Instead of A-4H going up to 8.7 it stayed at 8.3 and things were moved to its BR.
A32A was moved to 9.0.
Alpha Jet came in at 8.7 cause Mig-17s etc are 8.7.
Swift F7 stayed 8.7 instead of moving up because other things moved down.
Aint this just br compression fault , not gaijin being biased
Try and use the meteor at 8.0 and you realise how unbalanced things are, then go to 8.7 and you have the javelin. its just comical