The “War Thunder Problem:” A dedicated post

If you’re active on YouTube or any content creators social media platforms, you’ll have noticed a high influx of recent concerns regarding the health of war thunder and its player base. Probably some things along the line of:


  • War Thunder is dying of slop
  • The problem with war thunder
  • Is War Thunder Really Dying
  • Why I don’t play War Thunder (and Neither should you)
  • War Thunder has a serious Problem
  • War Thunder isn’t Dying, it’s already dead

Now, seeing as you probably understand the gist of the titles, wether you’ve seen any of these videos, or post, or not you can see quite a pattern.

Every creator has the same issue with the game, it’s always the same thing. The predatory marketing tactics, pricing, and time consumption of the game. People who have played the game, since day one. Even I, who have only been playing for about half of war thunders existence, see the issue too.


I’ll make a few short points and leave you to your thoughts. Most of them being fairly similar in opinions to a few content creators I really love and hold near and dear in my time of playing war thunder, and even before I got war thunder. I’d suppose the right thing to do is giving them credit, even though their opinions aren’t really opinions, they are simply stating the facts. Notably one being good ol’ Spookston, Phlydaily, and DollarPlays.


  1. War thunder (Gaijin Network Ltd) is predatory:

War Thunder, in its entirety is predatory. Then again, what F2P game isn’t. War Thunder takes this predation to the next level compared to any other rival however. The grind, the exclusivity, and cost of premiums are all a very serious issue, and a tool for taking in money. By the extension of the grind, adding more vehicles, and increasing the difficulty of gaining resource (RP & SL) they drag the grind out endlessly. Even with a premium account the amount of time to grind vehicles is insane. Completing this is the power of premium vehicles, ones that are blatantly overpowered, and overpriced to help maximize profit margins. Yes, I’m talking about the T-58 heavy, BMPT-72, Turm-III, Su-30’s, etc. These aren’t exclusive to now either, the KV-1B is notably another, as well as the SAV 20.

War Thunder has been specifically structured not only to be Pay 2 Progress, but also Pay 2 Win. You see, the business model is simple. You release an OP vehicle, have your CC’s do the hard work by showing how OP and easy to play they are. All the enthusiasts and kids whip out their credit card out of frustration of either the time to progress or dying to these vehicles, because if you can’t beat them, you join them of course. Then you stack not having them go on sale at all until a new vehicle overtakes their position in rank. A single premium vehicle at the top now costs more than a AAA game.

Now you have an understanding of the predatory tactics, you can move to the next big thing, which is the price creep.

  1. Premium price creep:

Over the years, more premiums have been added obviously. More ranks means more to add of course. The issue is, unlike the scaling of TT vehicle prices in SL and RP, the cost of these premiums have a non-slope based pricing. In other words, the price continues to rise the more they add. Instead of them decreasing over time in price with the introduction of new vehicles, they continue to grow. Unlike the TT vehicles, which of course, as more ranks and vehicle get added in front of them, have a RP requirement and SL cost net decrease.

Now that we have the big premium issue out of the way, we can talk about the other issue.

  1. Use of non-human creation:

In other words, the use of AI in game, in graphic design, and in other sectors. AI is taking jobs, which yet again comes down to Gaijin increasing their net profit margin. But cutting out the expensive graphic designer to create decals, textures, and graphics, they don’t have to pay anyone for every hour of work they complete.

Into another topic now.

  1. “Slopification” of war thunder:

Useless additions, mindless copy paste, overall shit being added. F-14D is a good example, it’s a plane that’s not even unique that’s being gatekept behind the paywall. Another example is the Senrai Maidens being the biggest, unholiest gooner addition to War Thunder to draw in a new crowd of players. Gaijin will find every way to cut corners, and costs, to be able to maximize their margin yet again. They make ‘new content’ that’s repackaged old vehicles, market it as such, and make profit because of the dopamine hit people get from using them to progress, while it functionally added nothing to the game. This causes a overall lack of growth of the game, remaining the same stupid repetitive game over all these years.

One last point I have to make, because I simply can’t do this anymore.

  1. The Ultimatum theory:

Players, as such, will not be able to do anything to control this without boycotting the game, dropping its numbers, and essentially starving the beast. Every time players have outraged, gaijin has treated us as children, giving us an ultimatum, overall by using forced choice theory. Every time the people push back enough they give a choice of two things. They implant the idea that it’s what you wanted all along in your brain, and you become complacent for some time. They know psychology, they know marketing. They know their flow of money won’t stop when they take small losses for the overall wins.

Players as a whole are the problem. They are the root of this issue. You feed the beast, so do you want to feed into this issue?

Overall, the reason I made this post was because of one thing I saw. The developer of GHPC! Made a very good statement on the issue without pointing fingers…


(Thank you to Czechmate for making an analysis & review with the GHPC! dev Q&A, who is the source of this screenshot.

have you seen a gacha game?

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It is not my intention to defend predatory practices either, but that is actually a good point lol, gachas are the ultimate credit card hunters.

As the water is wet. The community let the game be like that. Indeed the community has the voice, but very few of the community actually voice their concerns. There are very few examples of this that actually had any changes based on community complains like the controversial economic changes which would increase the repair costs and reduce rewards.

Again, the community—if there’s a price, there’s a costumer. War Thunder playerbase is so diverse and spaced in between that a mass movement in favour of lower prices take a lot of time, is like sending radio messages between planets. If ever there’s a generalized outrage regarding Premium vehicles prices I hope that people that bought them full price have a sort of very generous (not on Gaijin type of generocity) to compensate.

A lot of companies hire third party for jobs, if these third party used AI for generate texture or art, it’s not Gaijin fault but is their fault for not keeping eye sharp of these details, which I doubt, money still flowing in.

Not new. War Thunder content is complicated, there will be people that complain that Premium vehicles are too unique (paywall argument), and others that Premium vehicles aren’t unique enough to justify the price (copy-paste argument).

Gunner, HEAT, PC! won’t substitute any of the current tank/vehicular combat games because it’s a very specific niche. It’s not a fix for the issues on this sub-genre, not an alternative, it’s a reliable option of game; though won’t satisfy everyone.

I would praise you for this post if it wasn’t by this trend train, but I’ll praise for the acknowledge, more people voicing their concerns the better I think. But let’s be honest, “content” creators are just getting their “content” of this whole situation, spitting the obvious and the John Spectator is in the other side agreeing on whatever, in the next video is another slop as if nothing has ever happened.

isnt that a good thing? that its not a unique vehicle thats being paywalled

the company is literally called gaijin

I’ve been seeing this pattern for a long time, and have voiced my opinion on them before, while not being as, what’s the term, I guess ‘aggressive’ about it. Mostly having to do with premiums, event vehicles, and TT grind.

To be fair I left a lot of personal opinions I had out because this was a spur of the moment post a 1 AM. Haha.

I quiet dislike a lot of other things about this game that have been added over the years.

Fair enough. But I still don’t think that this will change. As I’ve mentioned in this thread (regarding content creators and their participation on problem solving position), this situation is part of a cycle divided in four parts: 1st. Community outrage about a specific aspect; 2nd. Content creator publish a video in support; 3rd. Gaijin posts something about the issue and 4th. Community accepts and calms down:

And I’m afraid we’re on the last step of this cycle. As I said the community is very spaced in between, to have a unification would require a lot of time, which is definitely not happening soon, I doubt, at least not on War Thunder Player Union level because that’s just stupid, the intention is noble but how is now is disgusting.

Overall I agree but I will point out three points:

Youtuber is like politician, it will milk any drama for views, as that is how they make money. Just because you agree with them on some topics doesnt mean all they say is true.

WT being F2P game, it has to make money somehow.

Licensing rights to existing weapons systems costs money. Server upkeep costs money. Having employees costs money.

Pay 2 progress isnt perfect option they couldve gone with considering the amount of grind, but ultimately its neccesary evil unless we want to go with Pay 2 play model.

As for Pay 2 win, up until recently this aspect of game was rather tame. Sure not saying there werent some massive blunders (Ka-50 on release anyone?) but it wasnt up until last year when truly broken premiums started being added (premium Su-30s, BMPT-72, T58 etc.).

You take warthunder too seriously if you think this is a problem. Its videogame after all. You might not like them, perfectly fine, but they dont mechanically affect gameplay at all.

I feel the issue isn’t that the community calms down. They give up, all the players who have been around for so long just leave, find other games, and new players take their place. You’re right, the issue is also no one can agree on what is the right option. One of the opinions I didn’t voice was something you mentioned about GHPC! Which was the niche. War Thunder is between WoT and GHPC! in my eyes. It has its own niche, nothing is really threatening their market, so they are a monopoly of the game type.

GHPC! is more or less a more in depth simulation version of war thunder ground.

Oh no, the Senrai Maidens isn’t an issue, it’s the Copy Paste+ (Cosmetics) that’s piss me off. Not the cosmetics itself, but Gaijins intent behind it.

Sure but I feel thats entirely different argument to what was proposed at first.

Anyway

If 2A4M was TT and senrai maiden variant was premium, kinda like HC has TT and premium variant, id actually say its prefered since it doesnt lock anything behind a paywall but unique skin.

Premiums like PzBtl123 are the least offensive premiums we could have.

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No, it was what I intended to say (what I just said to you). The issue with the mind is its freedom of comprehension, you read it and got something different than I was intending. I use the Omaneko pillows on my vehicles and all sorts of goofy things, personality isn’t the issue with it.

Yet again, the point isn’t that they are what they are, it’s gaijins intent behind it. Which is slap a new name on and sell a TT vehicle for real money.

Well simple misunderstanding then, glad we cleared that out.

Which again, to me isnt inherently a bad thing as it loops to one of the previous things i said

Im perfectly fine with buying premiums as long as they dont lock important capabilities behind paywall (to this day, only usable 7P in game, BR wise, being on premium Hornet is to me much more pressing concern than senrai maiden tanks being just reskins).

I suppose so, but it’s only one missile. I highly doubt anyone is buying the F-18 for that one missile only though. It’s just the issue of monetization for gaijin being such a big thing, the whole game now revolves around it.

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It seems to me we agree that it is issue, were just discussing what exactly is the problem with it.

As i stated i dont find reskins to be offensive, on the contrary i find them preferable (TT T58 when). But if you dont agree with that its perfectly fine, really, i can respect that opinion.

Yes, and I agree with you as well, the issue itself isn’t the reskins, it’s their use by gaijin for me. Everyone is their own philosopher.