The main issue is top tier USA is not getting anything new worth of value while other nations are. yeah we got the m1a2 sepv2 but it’s actively worse in regards to the prior model. It would’ve been better if Gaijin let us remove the ARAT ERA as well as giving it m829a3 to make up for it’s lack of spall-liner. But alas Gaijin would rather gaslight us about its performance. Secondly Gaijin is making the m3a3 worse with each update due to their changes to TOW missiles, especially tow 2bs. TOW 2B’s in game have the control of a wet balloon with a hole in it and have the punching power of a slap on the cheek. Finally US top tier SAM in the ADATS just isn’t as powerful as it once was in the META, it gets out ranged by the SU-25sm3 and it costs more to spawn in than the Pantsir simply because it can be used to kill tanks. Other tech tree’s have already caught up and passed the US while we continue to get shafted with our new tanks. Seriously we have the worst win rates at top tier and that’s because the only thing that makes top tier US fun is the CAS. Top tier US just needs more to make it stand out and look more appealing to top tier players.
Best light tanks? No. Pretty good light tanks? Yes.
American MBTs suck, so much so that frontally full caliber ammunition can sneak through under the gun mantlet and the earliest APFSDS can penetrate the Abrams anywhere into the turret ring with the ricochet increasing the size of the weakspot. I’m sorry, but if a T-10M and T-62 are an actual threat to me still, then that stuff is no bueno.
The only #1 thing the U.S. has is CAS as even the F-4E is an insane monster with the amount of mavericks and GBUs it can carry.
Dude they LACK spaa for a long as time. Thats the problem.
Honestly US mbt’s would be pretty good if they made the hull armor strong enough to protect against all but the top rounds (500mm and bellow) and made the engine a lot quieter than it is so it doesn’t telegraph your position as much. Sure it won’t change the big gun mantle weak spot but every top tier MBT has a decent sized weak spot.
@Pyro_loogA
“If my SEP2 was 0.5 seconds faster to 50kph…”
It changes not as much as you’d want it to cause most speeds in-town are <30kph still firing the best MBT round in the game out of the 2nd best MBT gun in the game.
TOW missiles haven’t changed since the 2023 update that corrected their unrealistic behavior, and TOW-2Bs got corrected recently to be in-line with the normal TOWs.
They’re easily controlled, just practice.
Yeah, F-16C has been out-ranging everyone as well… congrats on feeling what it’s like to be on the other end of the GBU/missile stick, you can finally empathize with Soviet players.
And yes, all 10 tech trees lack SPAA to deal with the unkillable CAS, this is something I’ve been talking about longer than most cause I talked about it back in late 2022. And it became even more of a problem when CCIP became available when carrying GBUs.
What does team skill have to do with this subject?
BVM: “First time?”
Yes, M1’s turret ring is 1/4th the thickness it should be. I’ve talked about this at least as long as Spanish has.
It has nothing to do with top speed and more about agility and acceleration. Removing the weight would allow the Abrams to me more mobile.
Compared to other ATGM’s in game they don’t control well at all and I’d hardly call it realistic at all.
As you can see in this video the missile comes straight out and doesn’t do that weird thing it does where it takes a second to level after firing.
I also like the fact how you conveniently ignore my point about TOW 2b’s, probably because it doesn’t fit your narrative of “just get better.”
This couldn’t be further from the truth. Most tech tree’s aside from the more minor forgot ones can deal with long range CAS. Germany has the FlaRakRad, USSR has the Pantsir, China has the Tor M1, France and Sweden has the ItO. And if the leak list is anything to go by Italy will be joining them with the Romanian 9A33 Osa.
My main gripe with it is its spawn cost and its weaker ability to deal with the longer ranged targets.
No it hasn’t, the AGM-65D doesn’t out range the Pantsir and the way you kill Pantsirs with it is with smart flying, not relying on its range.
If you re-read the statement in its context it should be self explanatory.
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Really? Which tech tree has 16+km SPAA against jets? Oh wait, none of them.
They’re 13km at most, and that’s Pantsir.
Meanwhile GBUs have a 16km range, AGM-65s have a 20km range, and so forth.
Pantsir: 13km.
AGM-65: 20km.
So your post’s claim is 13km > 20km… lol Sorry, but 20km is greater than 13km.
Zero tech trees in War Thunder have the range to deal with current top CAS, this is common knowledge.
Just like War Thunder:
Keep ignoring facts all you want.
All ATGMs feel kinda wack since they changed how they work. They’re much more likely to fly around, and they feel less accurate. Some also seem to drop downwards out of the barrel, which is unrealistic, but that could be explained by the offset between the sight/barrel.
You have to fire them when using gunner sights.
Probably the most accurate thing about War Thunder is the fact that ATGMs are slaved to the gunner sights for aiming.
IDK where you got the 13km from because if you go in game the pantsir clearly has a 20km launch range. Which is equal to the lock range of the AGM-65D. The only explanation of this mistake that doesn’t make you out to be a complete liar is that you must have somehow gotten it confused with the VT1 missile which has a 12km launch range.
Except in war thunder it does a weird dip and it take a second to start flying above your crosshair, that’s my main issue with it, the fact that it’s flight characteristics are unnecessarily sluggish, and it’s armor pen/damage isn’t realistic in the slightest.
Keep it civil or get lost.
From the game, and testing.
Paper stats =/= real performance.
Just cause the Magic 2 can go 14km doesn’t mean it can go 14km against a maneuvering target.
Pantsir’s range against a maneuvering jet is 13km. Tested with over 50 missile launches on aircraft… me being the aircraft since I didn’t trust people to be the aircraft.
Pantsir does not and has never had a 20km range.
It has a 13km range against jets, an 18km range against hovering helicopters, and 20km range against drones coming toward it. This is common knowledge among CAS players like myself and Hunter.
Weird of your post to accuse everyone of being liars.
It’s sad your post is nothing but insults while mine show you respect.
Use tank gunner sights, as that’s what the missiles are correctly slaved to.
The same can be applied to mavericks as well. I don’t think I’ve ever gotten a reliable 15-20km shot with my maverick, unless the pantsir was just sitting there ignoring me or distracted.
I’m not accusing you of being a liar, just seemingly miss representing facts.
Nowhere any of my posts am I insulting you.
That’s what I used.
Any Pantsir paying even halfway attention is just going to shoot down any maverick fired at it.
i call bullshit if other nations get the F.A 18 and we dont lol
we own you. get with the program.
Well know you are getting desperate lol.
Besides that. When i literaly was rushing with those tanks and didnt even had real line ups.
That just shows that you are salty becsuse i do have a point.
Besides that i like to prefer to look at general stats. I always respawnnin general even if its a losing match.
Sure if you quit a game even afrer first desth just because you are losing of course u gonna go out with a positive kd.
But i even spawn my vwhicles if i am in a massive disadvantage.
Tame thats as you want. But you are bringing realy irrelevant things into here
I pointed out how you are spreading missinformation thats it. The while thing would be resolved a long while ago if you had changed the boxer to the puma s1.
But you wanted this to be somekind of fight and are clinging to weird statements that spaas and artillerys are light tanks which is just wrong.
Truthfully i thought we just let the matter rest now and end it.
But you had to dig unrelevant things up
We get 1 plane or 1 tank, I do not count the Naval because Naval is not an excuse to justify that “*insert Country here is getting stuff” however you made a good point to a certain extent.