T-62M1 literally has the same flat pen as T-55AM1, at 60 degrees.
Since when was 229 the same as 129
It is there.
The leopard a1a1 should be 8.7 because it is simply bad for an 8.7…
Did you read?
“Same flat pen as T-55AM1 at 60 degrees”
No.
the flat pen of the 3bm28 is 398 while the pen of the 3bm25 is 129 at 60° which it is 260mm LOS, you’re making no sense at all.
Not really. Russia has a solid 9.0 lineup so i dont really get the point of his original comment to me. Isreal doesn’t have a 9.0 lineup. Italy doesn’t have a 9.0 lineup.
Again its a problem all nations have. Not every nation will have a lineup for every BR possible
my bad
and it’s arguably better than the 55AM-1 with more mobility and better APFSDS, and it would dunk on every other 8.7
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Zero point in being petty.
Russia’s 9.0 lineup is rather deserted. If you have the 279 its nice, otherwise its not great. The only good tank you have is the T-62M1.
The apfsds is dogwater compared to other 9.0s, it just lucky enough that half the things it face are squishy enough to get easily pen by 3bm25.
Meanwhile other 9.0s
Leopard A1A1 | DM23
ZTZ88A | DM23
ZTZ88B | DM23
M60TTS | M774
CN M60TTS | DM33
Chieftain MK10 | L23
Chieftain 900 | L23
T-62M1 | 3BM28
Only redeeming quality is it could shoot ATGMs on the move and also intercept missiles, its inferior pretty much everywhere compare to the ZTZ88s, and breakfast for the hull down Chieftain MK10 lol
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Imo if anything it’s better to make some decompression here than moving T-55AM-1 lower, it’s a very hard enemy for tanks with just HEAT/APDS shells and without stabilizer.
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I remember the days when the AM-1 was a complete menace. Really, it just came down to it’s very effective armor profile, and not enough drawbacks to balance it out. The moblity isn’t incredible, but it isn’t bad. The APFSDS is the worst dart in game, but it’s still workable if you know where to aim. You get an LRF, something not all 8.7s get.
The you come to the armor, which was very reliable in a downtier. The composite blocks on the UFP and the turret would block all HEATFS shells and the overwhelming majority of APDS across most of the frontal arc. You either needed APFSDS, or you’d be forced to aim for the fairly small manlet or the LFP whern visible. The various unstabilized 7.7/8.0 MBTs have a hard enough time in an uptier as it is, back then they’d be facing a vehicle that can not only lolpen them on the move, but would resist all but carefully aimed shots in return.
For context, it was at the same BR as the Chieftains, who are substantially slower, with weaker armor, and no LRF. Similar story with the RISE P.
It struggles at it’s new BR, but that’s a symptom of compression, nothing else. And I’d far prefer one tank to suffer, than a whole BR bracket to suffer one tank.
It was, it actually has composite blocks in the hull and the plates on the turret cheek could resist HEATFS, which half the things it face during that time still using the type of ammunitions that has trouble going past its armor for most angles, with APHE they only have the mantlet area to hit. The ZTZ88A actually a T-55AM without the composite plates on the turret, it actually has the composite block in the hull so it has a chance to stop APDS.
The current state of the T-55AM-1 is a joke compared to what it was like a year ago. I really wonder what the logic is behind lumping the T-55AM-1 (which struggles to penetrate two-thirds of the vehicles at 9.0) with the same BR as the Chieftain Mk 10 or the T-62M-1. Why balance old premiums when it’s important to add new ones… God forbid we even buff Russian premiums, or we’ll just have to cry from the main sponsors under Maltzi or the Canadian’s video…
You know it wasn’t the only T55 moved to 9.0 right?
The T-55AM-1 was to good in 8.0br until people complains about it.
Another victim of the apocalittic compression of 9.0 they shoud really decompres 9.0 vs 9.3 is stupidly unbalanced and all the day am stil wandering how the bad tank of 9.0 can win against tam, xm803 and m60tts not to mencion t72 or mbt/kpz
Or the bane of balance t58
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I know? So what?
The enemies themselves are half the story. The T-55AM-1 has been fighting 9.3 and 9.7 tanks for a long time, but its APF-SDS wasn’t made of plasticine back in the day. Now, literally any angled armor is a dice roll whether it magically disappears on impact, and even if it does manage to penetrate, it can sometimes not generate shrapnel. There are plenty of examples. The 3BM25 can randomly generate (or not generate) shrapnel after penetrating the Turm III turret. Today, I shot every Leo-1 (the one from 8.0) perfectly in the left front cheek of the hull (a shot into the first-choice magazine), and guess what? Fire, engine destruction, and orange ammo… I won’t even mention the shots at the AMX-30 (all of them) because that’s ridiculous. But unfortunately, it’s Russian, so it’s unlikely they’ll fix it… They’ll still put it in 9.3 because it has NERA. It doesn’t matter that nothing stops it.