Military intelligence is part of the army. Intelligence cooperation means military cooperation. So there are military connections
I would rather have a South Korean subtree and the consequences of stating that opinion than a Polish subtree that seems hella outta place
However, the Koreans will add, if memory serves, only helicopters that are already in the game (AH-1 cobra, AH-64, UH-1 and OH-6). Moreover, it is not the subject of this suggestion to consider what is a better choice for Japan.
The topic of this suggestion is support for Japanese helicopters, not whether it is a good choice for a subtree for Japan.
-1 There could be a Polish helicopter subtree, but it is not appropriate for Japan.
However long the relationship between Poland and Japan may be, most of them are very general one that can be made between any two countries and has no political or military significance.
It’s like no one is saying that Italy must get British and French vehicles, which were part of Rome. And Poland-Japan relationship is far less than this.
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seriously? in last time I saw su-27 for japan suggestion and now the polish subtree?? ‘japan needs something’ does not mean that it can steal anything which looks good. if poland used japanese vehicles or japanese technology it would’ve make sence but for sure they did not.
japan is getting thailand subtree so we all gotta satisfy with it.
I would love to see a Polish sub-tree, but I believe the choice to be added in Japan is a bit odd. I would rather proceed to add them for Germany instead, since this feels like a better choice and we already have a Polish presence in their tree (like the Leopard 2PL and Lim-5P - sold to GDR but produced in Poland).
This would also provide an opportunity for Polish Air Force and the Army to supplement the German Tech Tree and during the Cold War and afterwards there have been supply relationships between Poland and Eastern Germany (GDR), continuing with Germany after reunification as far as I know (i.e. Poland sold Mi-2 helicopters to GDR), so it would make more sense.
As for Japan, I would go instead with countries like South Korea or Indonesia. Similar to Poland and Germany, they had a more bloody relationship during WW2, but later on their socio-political relationships improved and I would see them a better fit for a Japanese sub-tree.
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Just because something can be suggested does not mean it should be.
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This is not a statement about this particular player, which should have been obvious. It is a statement about a specific subsection of the War Thunder forums Japanese community.
Would probably go to Germany if anything, as they already have the Leopard 2PL
*and need more helicopters
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You described his suggestion as “average Japanese subtrees suggestion”
how Poland being in Germany is any better ? Both Japan and Germany are bad choices but Japan at least has good history with Poland
Poland in japan is just absurd. No other explanation needed.
There are 10 tech trees, japan is the least logical(or maybe second/third least logical) to put poland in
That is true. I’m just saying that putting them in Germany would be absurd as well.
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Well, not quite. Germany and Poland have traded vehicles for a while after World War 2, starting with GDR (East Germany) which needed the Soviet equimpent for border protection that Russia could not provide with and they could build under license on Warsaw pact or from surplus material. Different Mig series, Mi-2s, BMPs and T-72s were provided to East Germany from Poland and after the Iron Wall collapse and German reunification, the Poles received ex-Soviet vehicles that belonged to GDR (i.e. Mig-29s offered to them for 1 Euro as a gesture of goodwill and for future colaborations: German-Polish MiG-29 Transfer Complete – DW – 08/05/2004).
And Germany continues to provide equipment and vehicles to Poland up to this day and they’re both partners of NATO and neighbouring countries, so it makes more sense to have Poland in Germany.
While Japan had relationships with Poland, you can’t deny that Germany was more impactful to the Polish military industry and army.
For example:
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Poland can work as its own technology tree, it can even be coupled with Czechoslovakia if it needs a few more vehicles.
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T-34-85’s, Mi-2’s, LiM’s, T-54/T-55’s and T-72’s were all bought from PRL since it was all license produced in there. Germany wasn’t the only country that bought vehicles that were made in Poland. Other Warsaw Pact countries and Middle East countries used Polish made vehicles as well. The MiG-29’s that Germany provided were not the only ones Poland had. Some were also bought from Russia. Germany is not the only country in NATO that Poland are partners with. Besides with how big German companies are, you might as well count all countries in Europe cause everyone works with them to a degree.
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True, but from War Thunder’s point of view, Poland would make the most sense for Germany since they could fill some gaps in areas where Germany needs more support, like top tier Aviation. And we have the socio-political background for it as well, in the same manner how they did with Hungary for Italy or South Africa for UK.
An alternative for Poland will be USSR as well, but right now Poland is not on best terms with Russia and Gaijin can receive some backlash from the public with this choice.
As for Japan, like I said - I believe other Asian countries could support their tech trees and perhaps give us the opportunity to meet new unique vehicles as well. South Korea, Philipines or Indonesia would be a better option for it.
Not a fan of putting south korea, phillipines or indonesia to japan especially korea considering what the Japs did there but i would certainly prefer those in japan over poland
Poland could go to any tech tree other than Japan(and maybe also china, israel and USA would not be good ideas).
I know, but if we follow this logic, there wouldn’t be any minor nation compatible with Japan since they weren’t the nicest to others during World War 2. Well, except some that are already a major tree (or part of one) in war Thunder.
But alliances and international relations are changing constantly and another alternative nation would be China, which in present has worse relationships with their neighbours, especially South Korea and southern nations in Asian region.