And Kh-38ML as a singular missile is superior to Kh-38MT.
Next major update it could very well be that Kh-38MLs are used instead due to lower spawn cost.
time to buy the fine aged wine, cause all I see is KH-38MT spam
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5 to 20 m? Can we see this level of error modelled? Of course not and that article gets better when they mention the IR version would not be used to hit a moving target!
“Kh-38 MT, Kh-38 MA and Kh-38 MK, equipped with thermal imaging and active radar homing heads, as well as a radio navigation module GLONASS/GPS correction, respectively. All three modifications provide the implementation of the “fire and forget” mode. All three of the above-mentioned modifications are completely autonomous and their seeker does not require illumination, unlike the Kh-38 ML. In extremely difficult meteorological conditions against radio-contrast surface and ground targets (including moving ones), the use of the Kh-38 MA modification with an active radar seeker of the Ku-/Ka-range based on a waveguide-slot antenna array, providing detection and identification of targets, is a higher priority.”
Basically the IR version is crap it can’t do what it needs to do so Russia use the SAL version and the Radar version…So why in game does the IR one perform so well…
This missile is a top tier cancer and while other systems aren’t allowed realistic performance this system breaks all the rules.
In a missile to missile comparison, the Kh-38ML is superior to the Kh-38MT in-game.
However, we do something that real life doctrine doesn’t do: Multi-launch.
The only reason Kh-38MT does better than ML in matches is because of multi-launch.
yes it is
Keyword is extremely difficult meteorological conditions, Thermal imaging is degraded in foggy condition and they can’t see through cloud cover(same issue as laser designator raise in previous paragraph)
Yes and it also says for moving targets the IR mode is not suitable and mmW would be selected.
Thats not how it performs in game and we only ever see FnF missiles used by Russia against static targets. When a target is moving the weapon has to be manually guided by the operator.
I does not see where it say that in the article.
extremely difficult meteorological conditions against radio-contrast surface AND ground targets (including moving ones), the use of the Kh-38 MA modification with an active radar seeker of the Ku-/Ka-range based on a waveguide-slot antenna array, providing detection and identification of targets, is a higher priority.”
It says the IR mode and SAL mode are not suitable for poor weather as we know. It then goes on to say And ground targets and moving ones they would use the mmW mode. Which says to me the IR seeker cannot reliably track and hit moving targets.
But the mmW version can.
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/8tUPVkM4DHNB
We should pull a “gaijin classic” on them and request an official OEM manual :))
Its because from what we have seen on the Zhuhai brochure that the MT is likely for anti-ship duties.
Seems to me they implemented the MT the way they have due to the no ARH A2G munition restriction and when thats sufficiently tackled they may change the seeker to what it should be and implement the MA.
Ships are very different to fast moving vehicles, if that is the case the IR seeker needs massively changed.
Tripod is the one who brought it to my attention. IIRC the heat difference required between background and the target is something stupid, meaning one of two things, its meant for striking hot or semi stationary targets that give off alot of heat or tracking doesn’t start happening till alot later in its flight path. It was one of the last convos I had with him in that shitshow of a thread. As for whether it should be on 30SM its compatible with older variants of the 30 and thats why gaijin put it on it.
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It has the correct pylons for the Kh-38.
Yeah that thread degenerated quickly
It was never going to be anything but whataboutism even if someone could produce the final nail in the coffin for either side. Mostly cause a solid third of the people in that thread could have one crash through their front windows and still deny its existence.
Problem also is with bad actors, Russian mains are not wanting to give up their I win button.
The thread became personal attacks to ensure the thread kept getting closed off.
Not denying that but there was a lot of people dragging it off topic into brimstones, stingers etc as well. And that was a near daily occurrence.
There is/was real frustration and Gaijin didn’t address it.
Brimstone being denied any form of it’s real capacity by being potentially game breaking.
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We are fast going off topic here so imma make this my last one, Im ok with brimstones being locked to one mode because I also dont want to fight against russian ARH A2G munitions as what would be currently implemented, no form of EW and natural interference will forever be a hard block to those munitions being added and until addressed (along side a radar codebase review and rework) im more than happy to stay the current course.