you know, this feels a lot like the time that gaijin said 2s6 was under preforming (mainly because people were using it as a TD), before in one update nerfing it and every other AA along with adding the pantsir
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I don’t know how it stacks up, I’m just pointing out that using statshark to try to disprove Gaijins internal data isn’t a great idea.
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Using player statistics to balance BRs or to calculate effectiveness has been an issue since forever. Sometimes it’s because big nations have a bigger share of players, so the sample size is larger with more variance, or it’s because premiums that vehicles have worse statistics than others that are actually worse to play. This is how you end up with vehicles that are comically overtiered or undertiered, or additions that end up breaking the game because it ends up being too powerful and no contemporaries for other nations are added.
Gaijin needs to consider more input from people who actually play at the BR environment.
Considering their actual kit, the EldE 98 and the Spyder AIO are 100% worse than the Buk-M3, so the statement that it is the worst top tier SPAA in terms of performance is wrong.
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The NASAMS is ok; you don’t need to play the EldE 98. Swedish 12.0 BR isn’t really worth playing.
That’s fair. My definition of top tier differs a bit from most, where I consider that if you can uptiered to max BR, then you are also top tier.
So the EldE does fall under that category, even though there is a better option available down the line.
Have you seen someone of the people on this forum?
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Not only on the forums…
It has a lower caliber SAM that doubles the amount of launchers
Thanks for fix, i kinda forgot about this.
You know what to expect when you point out a russian vehicle not being weak on this forum
Just 3 years ago, developers relied on specific objective performance metrics to compare SAMs and their missiles and demonstrated their case to the public with graphics and factual explanations which you can find here:
Now? They have relegated to using server statistics to justify their decisions to the public on their streams. If they had tried to re-use performance metrics comparing all of the missiles, they would have seen that the BUK outperforms all other top-tier radar SAMs.
In fact, it is looking like the BUK-M3 is going to outperform even the future Patriot SAM MIM-104B while outclassing other top-tier radar SAMs. (Credit to @legocubed)
But comparing the performance graphics of all the missiles would not have served well to suit the narrative that the Buk-M3 is the worst performing top-tier radar SAM objectively.
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Even if the BUK was the worst top tier AA, the Pantsir is still one of the best top tier AAs in the game… Meanwhile the Spyder sitting at 12.7… it could be at 10.7 and it’d still be worse than the 2S6
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I think what Gaijin should do is definitely not release a new Pantsir, but instead fix the BUK’s radar so it can better leverage the overwhelming advantages of its missiles.
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If sample is big enough it will converge to the truth. This claim would require a size difference metric between observations.
Yes
BukM3 not weak
Russian get a new TOP SPAA
So The other country also should get a new TOP SPAA
Russian bias next win
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There is nothing weak about Russia. All the contrary, in fact.
Ever noticed how your IRCM top tier heli always manage to get hit by BUK missiles, even when hovering totally still (non very high in the sky too) ?
BUK is op, it doesn’t respect the same rules as IRIS or SAMPT, another BIAS.
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And now double it again, because for every big Missile less, you get 4 small ones
Buk is far away from Op.
I hope you you woulld actually unlock it, and try it.
Only way BUK is actually hitting helos, if player is smart enought to NOT use radar screen on shot against those, and instead using launcher and launchers own tracking radar. ( what you need actually see target to get lock)
And well well well, imagine that BUK what is completely radar missile doesnt respect same rules as IRIS what is radar quided, having IOG and gnss on first part of missile track, and when missile is in 10Km range of target it switches to IR quidance , and actually decimates every flying jet out from the sky. And yes IRIS is still best top tier AA in game.
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NATO 12.7 spaas don’t have that launcher saclos system, they suck. Can’t hit any helicopter with them.
Completely useless. Once again, advantage given to Russia (what a surprise).
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It doesnt have SACLOS. It is still radar , but it uses launchers radar to track it not the slow ass main dish with 4sec blind spot.
And that is only advantage in buk in reality.
And still every nato SPAA on 12.7 is performing better compared to BUK, what an surprise
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