The standards to revise M1A2 SEPv3's armor NEED to be revised and calibrated

[Geiw0k0ujia0-live]

I could be wrong of course, but my memory of it was that American mains were whining that the MiG 29 was unrealistic because they were unable to dogfight it, even though the MiG 29 was a better dogfighter in real life. They whined so much that the MiG 29 was nerfed in game. This was also years ago, but I am just going off memory.

While yes, the stats have something to do with it too, but there were plenty of American mains on the forums being like, “waaaaah, this vehicle is super duper OP, it was able to eliminate me nerf it!”, which is quite common in general on the forums, but it honestly felt like American mains were the ones on the forefront of it all. Not all complaints came from American mains, but if it wasn’t Tiger_Tank or someone else notorious for bad takes, it was usually an American main. Again, a stereotype.

Again, these are stereotypes. Not all of these apply to actual American mains, but American mains are well known for this. I am not intending on insulting specifically you, it is just how many view the common American main.

[Königui]

The survivability metric in War Thunder cannot be measured solely by whether a tank gets one-shotted or not. It must be evaluated by the size of the ‘no-aim’ weakspots during a frontal engagement.

When facing a T-90M or T-80BVM, the opponent must pixel-hunt for the tiny driver’s hatch or the exact gun mantlet breach area. The Relikt ERA and composite arrays forgive mistakes. When facing an Abrams, however, no aiming is required: the massive, incorrectly thin turret ring and the unarmored lower front plate (LFP) cover almost 40% of the tank’s frontal silhouette. A simple point-and-click at center mass instantly disables the Abrams’ firepower and mobility. This asymmetric margin for error is what makes the Abrams physically uncompetitive in reaction-based frontal engagements.

[Königui]

It’s possible that you’re very far from the enemy; if you manage to retreat, success. But if you’re in a more advanced position or something like that, the guy will kill you.

[skittiee]

woah watch out guys the bug reporting mod is getting angy from all the sepv3 reports, please keep going!!

[Königui]

The moderation’s argument that an official “armor upgrade” could simply mean “adding a 5 mm plate at the rear of the hull” [^88] defies basic physics and combat vehicle engineering.

Let’s look at the official, unclassified weight distribution metrics again. The M1A2 SEPv3 chassis assembly carries a total mass of 41.9 tons. A 5 mm structural steel plate applied to the rear profile of an Abrams hull would add less than 100 kg to the vehicle. It is mathematically and physically impossible to account for multiple tons of a documented, congressional-budgeted “Next Evolutionary Armor” (NEA) upgrade program through minor refurbishments or thin rear sheets.

If the development team refuses to apply the same volumetric and mass density estimation formulas to the Abrams that they successfully used to estimate confidential armor values for Eastern MBTs, they are maintaining a severe methodological double standard. Mass cannot disappear. If the weight is simulated in the game, the protective density of that mass must be simulated as well.

I will not tire of pointing out this blatant injustice and logical fallacy. I can and will keep criticizing this decision all day long, day after day, until this physical inconsistency is properly addressed or until you decide to ban me from this chat. Facts do not disappear just because you close reports.

[Königui]

Guys, I’m going to start posting here regularly. So this forum never dies!

Day 1: Still waiting for the developers to address the physical weight contradiction of the M1A2 SEPv3 hull armor.

I’ll post another one tomorrow, changing the day. Let’s see how long this lasts.

[skittiee]

Well said, i wish we could know who this unnamed Bug reporting manager person is. its funny that they can just say whatever, and close the bug report and nobody can know who that is, or even reply to him… like what?

[skittiee]

And also, im noticing that they instantly reply to every SEPV3 hull armor report, and ignore the rest. Its like they are doing it on purpose just to piss us off

Spoiler

[DasMoss]

the FSB REALLY needs those documents

[skittiee]

Seems very likely that they just want us to send something classified LMAO, its so obvious atp

[PantherBait]

If that’s the case then some folks might need to report that to their respective national agencies.

[Geiw0k0ujia0-live]

Oh no, you mean a corporation stole information? $200 fine, do not pass Go.

[An_Pigeon]

@Königui

The survivability metric in War Thunder cannot be measured solely by whether a tank gets one-shotted or not. It must be evaluated by the size of the ‘no-aim’ weakspots during a frontal engagement.

By whos decree? survivability is not the armour you have.

It’s the amount of damage which you take after the shot penetrates the tank. Hence why historically russian tanks have low survivability.
while generally it follows the mantra of don’t be seen, if seen don’t get hit, if hit don’t get penetrated and if penetrated don’t die. The definition of the word as per the cambridge dictionary dictates otherwise.

:“the capacity of a person, organism, system, or organization to remain alive, function, or continue to exist despite encountering adverse conditions, attacks, or failures.”
So yeah, the abrams frontal arc may be easier to get through, but when it is penetrated the russian MBT is far , far more likely to die than the US one.

@Königui

the opponent must pixel-hunt for the tiny driver’s hatch or the exact gun mantlet breach area. The Relikt ERA and composite arrays forgive mistakes.

With the T80BVM you can shoot through teh front of the turret with the VT5 , or the roof, it’s got a 10.7 turret at top tier.
The T90M it’s even easier as you can easily out manuever it, or disable it without worring to much.

@Königui

however, no aiming is required:

It generally is required, and if you’re at that close a range where it isn’t, then it wouldn’t be required for most vehicles in the game.

The Sep V3 should get it’s armour modelled properly, as well as get it’s M829A3 working correct, as it’s a tossup now as far as I’ve seen.
But to act like they’re still not in the top 3 MBTs in game is just ridiculous. They’ve great mobility. near unparraleled firepower as well as good optics, fantastic hulldown capabilites and flank control.

@Königui

This asymmetric margin for error is what makes the Abrams physically uncompetitive in reaction-based frontal engagements.

uncompetitive. It’s one of the single most competitive MBTs at top tier or are you somehow going to tell me the CR2, Merkava mK4, type 10, 2A5, 2PL, Ariete, Leclerc are all better than it is?
hell i’d argue the BVM is worse than the M1 as it has no CITV, piss depression, mediocre round, near 1.5 seconds slower reload, 1.1 if you expert not ace the abrams.

@Königui

This asymmetric margin for error is what makes the Abrams physically uncompetitive in reaction-based frontal engagements

*it’s just factually not true though, the abrams in frontal engagements is just as powerful as the majority of tanks in teh game if not more so.

@Königui

It’s possible that you’re very far from the enemy; if you manage to retreat, success. But if you’re in a more advanced position or something like that, the guy will kill you.

In my over 1000 games and climbing no lol, you say that as if it’s a one time thing: i consistently survive shots in teh abrams VS other NATO MBTs of the same Br or slightly higher. Aka my M1A2 survives more than my merkava Mk4s

[TheRealSteve]

Do we have any updates on finding any hull/turret weight breakdowns of the SEPV2? Or internal datacards?

THIS INFORMATION IS REQUIRED FOR A NEW SEPV3 HULL ARMOR BUG REPORT.

[Geiw0k0ujia0-live]

I don’t know, mate. I’d rather have a Leclerc than an Abrams. Particularly for the teammates.

[skittiee]

Best bet would be to ask a crewman, have you found any?

[Geiw0k0ujia0-live]

“This report has been denied because balance is vewy vewy important, and sometimes we have to forgo realism for balance! Also, enjoy another Kh-38 buff :3”

[TheRealSteve]

We have asked some, but PLEASE find and ask more!!! We need all the help we can get from our friendly 19Ks and 91As!!! Again- we need the hull and turret datacards from the V2- not the V3!!!

[PantherBait]

Yeah fair point

[skittiee]

where is it usually located in the turret, is it next to the gunner?