We’re still going to try to deduct the weight just from the turret placard if we don’t find anything but will probably get denied.
Yeah but most tanks are vulnerable to top tier rounds so surely then basically all tanks bar the Swedish leopards and 2a7v would be glass canons?
Thats my point. Calling Abrams a glass cannon is just wrong, considering it is doing much better than most tanks at top tier in terms of hull armor. If it deserves M829A4, then give every other top tier tank 1000mm of pen because its only “fair”.
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It’s best hull armour can be pretty easily penned by a 9.3 Russian tank?
Where the hell do you shoot at the Abrams tanks to perceive them as survivable at all lmao
Because if you were shooting at their turret rings, lower mantlets or even center of the hulls, you would know they die in 1 shot 50% of the times, and the other 50% they get absolutely crippled with the following damages;
2/4 crew members killed, hydraulic pump, turret traverse, gun elevation, engine, transmission destroyed simultaneously (add FCS and power electronics soon too) while set afire; being rendered unable to fire and move both for way longer than it will take you to take a second finishing off shot.
No, that’s not “survivable”. Being rendered unable to shoot or move only to be finished off in a second shot immediately afterwards is not “being survivable” just because you don’t always get one-shotted. There’s no difference between dying in 1 shot, and being crippled in 1 and finished off in a 2nd 6 seconds later.
Even big YouTubers refer to the 12.7 Abrams tanks as glass canons; https://youtu.be/TtwKQKGAiX4?is=El1MP18xaMO264KG
Whether other tanks are as much or even more of one (Ariete) doesn’t make the Abrams any less of one.
It’s like saying that a 100k euro car isn’t expensive just because there are other cars that are 100k and even more while ignoring all 10-20k euro cars that by comparison make the 100k one expensive.
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The internals actually drive me insane lmao, I literally don’t even have any near as much of a problem playing 2a5, bvm, oplot etc. like why does a backup hydrolics pump disable the entire turret mechanism lmao
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I mean, not really. Its barely penned by 3BM22, and god forbid it isnt a perfect scenario (no angle or elevation change).
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Correction they will if it makes the tank worse
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You can’t say “big youtubers” and than only list one not even that big youtuber lmao.
Also there are enough clueless youtubers. Big youtuber =/= automatically a good player.
The Abrams is absolutely not a glass cannon.
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Besides beak, UFP on VT4 can randomnly get penned by top tier rounds, though its RNG so I will not highlight it.
AMV is 12.3.
M829A2 cuts through that 575 KE sliver and nukes the crew.
Now yes, I would like all these tanks to be fixed, however Abrams is not a glass cannon and does not deserve M829A4.
Does it have a “good” hull? Not really, but it also isn’t terrible.
No offense, but this guy is a terrible player and is in no position of authority to speak on the state of top tier vehicles.
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There is a difference actually. Most tanks will just die to first shot, but due to Abrams/Leo crew count/placement and spall soaking modules, even if you are crippled, a teammate could kill the guy who shot you, and then help you repair, and you don’t lose your spot on the map.
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Wasnt aware dying 50% of the time from a hit was better than dying 100% of the time from said hit
Thats literally what survivability is, if you get penned and dont die in 1 shot thats literally good survivability, something all the other NATO MBTs cant do (outside of Leos), not to mention you also get good armor compared to any other NATO MBT that helps you not get penned to begin with
God forbid Gaijin doesn’t make some of the best MBT’s in the game even better
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Abrams armor while not terrible isn’t anything special. You bounce shots from the same spots and you get nuked when hit in the same spots as most NATO MBTs .
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Except you STILL die anyway, just 5 seconds later.
Survivability is being able to take fire and then either shoot back or retreat.
Becoming a zombie sitting duck for 5 seconds before being immediately finished off is NOT “survivability”.
THAT BEING SAID, soon, no tank will have unrealistic post-pen survivability anymore.
Until now, Challengers, Leclercs and Merkavas were indeed unironically more survivable than the Abrams because their interiors were hollow emptiness, which very often led them to take little to no damage after a pen, opposite to the Abrams, which got modules along with the Leopard and before anyone else.
However, after the next major update, all MBTs will be riddled with modules, so the grounds will finally be even once again in terms of post-pen survivability, with no more unrealistically hollow tanks being way more survivable than non-hollow tanks.
When this happens, I fully believe that the Abrams will become more relevant again, specially with M839A3 and the turret neck fix; but it still doesn’t mean SEPv3 shouldn’t get its armor fixed.
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Besides Merkava, this is just a joke.
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Did the T-Series tanks finally get their modules or is it going to be another rounds of turret baskets for everyone but russia?
I’m pretty sure thats called armor.
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They have this thing called an autoloader instead of a basket, its kinda filled with ammo, not really conducive to a tank’s survivability.
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Except most of the times the autoloader eats any spalling and/or ammo turns black without detonating, so xD
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