also something to mention on that bug report draft (skimming it, correct me if im wrong)
it again, does really nothing
there’s nothing here to guesstimate with, all thats being told is that the M1A2 SepV3 got upgraded “hull front” but without specifications. AFAIK DU armour is not in game, so there is no blanket value to use either
so all it says is “upgraded hull w/ DU”
“I believe it” when I see it.
You get it? I believe—just like Gaijin will do next week to say the armor hasn’t been improved since 1979—.
it is not
but they could take the same percent increase from M1A1 turret to M1A2 turret, as that is an in game example on an abrams of composites being improved within the same volume
it would also be hilariously underestimated because it is using a non DU export armor package from the early 90s instead of a domestic package developed in the early 2000s with DU for the improved value but would still be an improvement
yes that is most likely the upgrade the hull has is du this is why most of the export abrams probably weight less because they dont have du inserts
That is by far the strongest argument in the Abrams armor case, both hull and turret volume and dimensions are easily relatable to each other, but the latter gets the modernized treatment, while the former is treated like american engineers were basically incompetent and unable to modernize their MBTs composite model after 35+ years.
But the percent increase from M1A1 to M1A2 is documented (AFAIK), whereas the increase from DU isn’t. That isn’t a guesstimation from sources, thats just a blind increase from a different upgrade
not really, it is an increase made on the same vehicle platform within the same constraints of volume change
and again it is comparing using a much earlier armor package that wasnt even the best possible for the time, as the high end value; making the over all estimate fairly conservative
Which is not written in the Lindström presentation whatsover.
Also the part includes the hull-sides (but surely they just went hull-down… sideways…) and shows the affected areas.
This section here makes it even more clear that your claim is nonsense.
The easiest way to increase the armor on the LFP without needing specifics is to see how much further the weld line on the UFP moved back. Then you can either fill that gap with more NERA or RHA, or a DU plate. As long as it fits within the 2.2 metric ton increase (factoring in the RHA added to the turret cheeks) you could buff the armor easily.
But we know its DU, and we don’t know the effectiveness of DU. Sure it’d be a buff, but we’d have no way of knowing how historical it is (which despite all the ahistorical stuff in game, is still the goal somehow(i wouldnt mind more unfinished prototypes gaijin…))
You could determine it. There are public figures for RHA and DU density, and since you can determine the volume by the weld line measurement, you could determine the mass. Even if Gaijin doesn’t want to make it DU, RHA and NERA are still options. I did really rough measurements using the MRE boxes on the clickbait as a reference, and then ballparked the mass of the turret plates.
You can try to make those estimations in a bug report, some get accepted if they’re feasible/realistic enough
Plus Gaijin already used a figure for DU on the M1A2 onwards in the turret despite the armor being identical to the M1A1s, there is an increase in protection.
Dude they literally list the underbelly protection as one of the primary armour upgrades for SEP V3.
This is not a confirmation at all. Do you have the material properties (density for example) they used? No.
This is literally just a assumption if anything.
Where
Do you have any suggestions on how I could turn that into a report and what sources I should include?
You’re still incorrect even if we go by your logic. And I don’t understand why it’s so hard for you to read the doc properly. Like, are we even looking at the same drawing or not? You even took the time to outline the area.
This 350mm 25° area includes the side hull with the composite skirts. So why are you focusing on the LFP when that’s the case? 350mm of KE protection is the absolute minimum achieved in that entire firing arc.
What this would prove more than anything is that the Abrams side skirts are underperforming, big time.
To be completely honest, for an estimate I’m not 100% sure. I’m not a tech mod, I’d recommend asking them.
I assume you’ll need sources that the Abrams got that armour upgrade, sources about DU’s effectiveness against Kinetic shells (pretty sure the shell needs to be known, so they can use the in-game equation for penetration using its dimensions), measurements of how far the weld line got moved back, etc. etc.
But again, ask a tech mod. I don’t personally make reports and don’t know much about reporting modern armour. It might also be worthwhile getting in touch with other people making similar reports (you can find some in this thread)
can you read?
that says a new under body IED kit
you know a kit that can be added in the field if they think IEDs are a threat, not something included in the base weight
The skirts are underperforming.
They have been buffed on M1A1 on DEV-Server though, providing ~130mm KE flat.
I don’t think it will go anywhere, but at least it’ll give some closure I guess.
