If I would be that mod and read last sentence of “best” report I would close this report the second I read last phrase
1: the 2s38 died because it spalled into ammo, 2: obviously the hstvl is going survive some autocanon fire and hmg lol
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bro what are you doin lmao. do you not get enough attention irl or smthn?
Yeah that was some grade cherry picking by WestDeserved.
Imagine feeling the urge to lie like that because you have an emotional need to be right over a video game.
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Imaging calling great fun tank worthless because of your personal skill issue
Forum and Reddit made russian mbts look like boogieman using cherrypicking for years. But when you do it backwards is big no-no
Yeah sorry try using it against the bmpt - which is the thing everyone spams right now. Which you actually know is the issue here - so again you’re being dishonest with your argument.
Its great against mbts - always has been. But since the current meta is all about BMPTs… yeah no bro.
Also, I don’t use reddit. So whatever standard you’ve got issue with take it up with them. Doesn’t make you less responsible for your personal choice to engage in it - it’s a weak mans tool in arguments.
M1A2 SEPv3 (M1A2C) Hull Armor and Driver Protection Reassessment Request
I would like to request a reassessment of the M1A2 SEPv3 (M1A2C) hull armor, particularly the frontal hull and driver protection area, based on publicly available information regarding the vehicle’s documented survivability upgrades.
I am not claiming access to classified armor values, nor am I proposing specific protection figures. However, multiple official and publicly available sources consistently indicate that the M1A2 SEPv3 received significant armor and survivability improvements compared to previous Abrams variants.
Official U.S. Army Statements
When introducing the M1A2 SEPv3, the U.S. Army described it as:
«“The most modernized configuration of the Abrams tank, having improved force protection and system survivability enhancements.”»
The same U.S. Army release also specifically states:
«“The Abrams Tank will continue to advance its ballistic protection to counter the latest threats.”»
These statements clearly indicate that survivability improvements were not limited to electronics or networking upgrades.
General Dynamics Statements
General Dynamics, the manufacturer of the Abrams, explicitly states that the M1A2 SEPv3 features:
«“Upgraded armor.”»
The official GDLS Abrams page further states:
«“Upgraded armor, a new protection package and an ammunition datalink improve crew protection.”»
And:
«“Incorporates Next Evolution Armor and blast survivability upgrades.”»
These manufacturer statements directly reference new armor and protection packages beyond previous SEP variants.
Next Generation Armor Package (NGAP)
Several defense publications reference the implementation of the Next Generation Armor Package (NGAP) on the M1A2 SEPv3.
Open-source reporting also documented test vehicles carrying surrogate weight packages intended to simulate the additional weight of the NGAP during development and testing.
This strongly suggests that armor-related modifications were physically incorporated into the vehicle design rather than being purely software or electronic improvements.
Increased Hull and Turret Armor Thickness
One of the most important publicly available references is the technical information summarized on the M1 Abrams documentation page, which states:
«“The M1A2 SEPv3 increased the LOS thickness of the turret and hull front armor.”»
While exact protection values remain classified, the statement itself is significant because it specifically mentions both:
- Turret front armor
- Hull front armor
Therefore, there is public evidence indicating that frontal hull protection was increased compared to earlier SEP variants.
Vehicle Weight Increase
The M1A2 SEPv3 weighs approximately 66.8 metric tons compared to roughly 64.6 metric tons for the M1A2 SEPv2.
While some of this increase comes from new electronics, power systems, and APS integration, the existence of documented armor upgrades, NGAP implementation, and increased LOS armor thickness suggests that at least part of the additional weight is associated with survivability improvements.
Survivability Testing
The U.S. Department of Defense DOT&E reports confirm that live-fire survivability testing was conducted on the M1A2 SEPv3.
The public report states:
«“DOT&E continues to analyze the live fire test data to evaluate the Abrams M1A2 SEPv3 survivability and force protection.”»
The detailed results remain classified, but the existence of dedicated survivability testing further supports the fact that protection improvements were a major component of the upgrade package.
Conclusion
Based on publicly available evidence, there appears to be sufficient justification to review the current armor modeling of the M1A2 SEPv3, particularly in the frontal hull and driver protection areas.
This request is not asking for speculative or classified armor values.
Rather, it is based on multiple official statements confirming:
- Improved force protection
- Improved survivability
- Upgraded armor
- A new protection package
- Next Generation Armor Package (NGAP)
- Increased LOS thickness of the hull front armor
- Dedicated survivability testing
Given these documented upgrades, the current implementation may not fully reflect the publicly acknowledged improvements incorporated into the M1A2 SEPv3 platform.
Thank you for your consideration.
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I did those stat from stock to top with terminator sitting at 11.7. And?
It’s great against russian and chinese mbts… and ariete, because you can one tap them both frontally and from side.
Any other NATO mbt almost imposible to kill in one shot frontally and from side. +BMPT, yes it is a harsh enemy. But your reaction was to T-90M? You can one tap him frontally and from side easily, like common, why you started crying all of sudden?
Now show how much BMPT survives
Go away with your AI slop, Jesus Christ.
Also who even reports pointing this out? No one that has anything meaningful to contribute to this will post chatgpt vomit like that.
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Frontally a lot. I try avoid engaging it frontally as much as possible
From side one-three average
Either I manage peek ammo below Relikt
Either I shoot relikt, relikt falls off and you shoot ammo with next shot
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Thank you for this additional info !
However I am not a technical moderator, and you would have little chance to get leverage by posting such content on the forum.
Your best bet would be to head over to the Community Bug Reporting System and/or DM a technical moderator or Admin for advice :).
Cheers !
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Please, I don’t know why some of you are suddenly talking about Russian tanks and HSTV-L, but… this topic’s subject matter is M1A2 SEPv3’s armor depiction in the game, it would be optimal for it not to be derailed, as we are trying to direct our efforts towards this subject in particular.
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Has anyone reported the response of the bug report manager (the one that only responded to two out of like 16 sources) in that one really detailed report like crazed_feel suggested? I wrote a giant block of text in mine. Hoping it gets re reviewed.
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I’ll foward this to crispy and see if he’d like to do it, so we can have the report reconsidered
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i did but nothing has come of it so far
Has anyone tried to make bug report about missing trophy on the sep v3? There is evidence that it had been mounted and used.
And ive had it with bug reporting managers tbh, they didnt accept gen 3 thermals or LWS for sep v3 and sep v2 trophy
Like there isn’t any logical reason, like wdym ”there are different versions of the tank. It’s not a mistake”
No shit there are different versions but its still almost the same tank, it’s not like they are DRASTICALLY different, like why would the sep v2 be able to have LWS and ROSY but the sep v3 couldn’t, there is space for the LWS and Smoke launchers, and the sep v2 trophy isnt another “variant” thats something gaijin came up with, we should have got a trophy modification instead
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Man if only we could see its active fire/combat footages.
Oh wait we cant because this missile doesnt exist aside from brochures.