of the Abrams bug report?
iirc it maxes at over 750mm
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I don’t think you killed the joy at all, you legitimately just proved the SEP v2 along with the SEP v3 are both missing armor (provided the 101mm plate still sits behind the weld line).
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A report thats drafted, but Tripod has reached out to some mods to see if they’d respond, so we will await
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I’m not sure how y’all are measuring the WT model but I can assure you this is measured to the weld line.
It’s the same on every Abrams since at least the M1A1 (but almost certainly since M1). M1A1 measured below (this is a measurement to the back of the weldline instead of the front so it’s slightly longer):
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If you agree that NEA refers to both turret and hull armor like budget document says, then NEA is specifically described as armor packages that are installed in place of previous packages in the armor cavity. So then, the only place in the hull that can fit a self contained composite armor package is the LFP armor cavity.
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Valoujah Actual had said the hull sticks out more and the tank feels heavier
Additionally the crew compartment, in the turret, is smaller because turret sides take up more space in the interior and exterior
They operate a SEPv3
Could you get the measurement on the SEPv3? If that won’t get you penalized or anything
Correction: Don’t even if you can
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What about the sideskirts, some have NERA elements too; would they not count also?
Treading on a thin line here
For that measurement, where is the weld line in relation to the fenders? If it hasn’t ever changed from 600mm, then why does the X-ray model in game not depict there being 600mm of LOS material? I’m just trying to see if Gaijin has had the model wrong the entire time.
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You’re actually right,
Because he can’t, so I take that back, he will get reprimanded
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On the model for the m1s lfp in wt theres like 100mm of air that at any point couldve been replaced with armor
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Uh same place? I didn’t take this picture so I don’t have another version
Which I ran some rough calculations for relative to the weight increase.
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I just ask because the image I posted has that weld line further back than what’s depicted in game on the v3. If that weld line never moved it means Gaijin has had the model wrong the entire time.
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Similar to what Volujah said : “ There’s a weld line on the front of the hull for the V3 that the V2 doesn’t have. It genuinely change the profile of the LFP by making it more sloped.”
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Based on the previous model issues, the model is probably wrong. From everything I’ve read and seen, from real measurement to photometry to people using diagrams and pixel counting, the hull armor LOS hasn’t changed since the initial production M1’s
So assuming the NERA didn’t change until the SEP, that means there’s like 200mm of missing space, assuming the 101mm plate is behind the weld. If it is in front of the weld, there’s around 100mm of missing armor. I assume the 101mm plate is in front due to the declassified design of the original array. That means there’s probably a combination of RHA and DU behind the original 101mm plate in the v3.
Now all we have to prove is if it’s DU, how much could realistically fit without exceeding the 2.2 ton weight limit with the turret improvements added.
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if you hover over a composite block in the xray viewer it gives you the thickness
and summing up the three thicknesses only comes to 493mm, a lot of the discrepancy might come from the gap between the end of the composite and the backer plate in the visual model, but if so it shows that the composites of the array could expand further to provide more protection within the same footprint without even changing the effectiveness of the composite design
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