If you’re using your performance in one single game as an argument (using stats), then using your stats you only have a 2K/D in it over the course of 40 respawns.
So that game clearly isn’t indicative of your overall performance.
Just like I and everyone else gets standout games in possibly any vehicle.
Also additionally you have better stats in most other planes at or around the same BR for the UK (and other nations). So really you should be asking for all of those to move up.
I’ve been playing the LF Mk IX for a long time, I’ve also been playing against it for a long time. There’s no reason it should go up in BR. I’ve fought against it using 5.0s (P-51D-30/P-47N/A6M5/Yak-3P and 9P) and won numerous times. Is it an easy to play aircraft? Yeah I’d say so, unless you’re careful a LF Mk IX could easily rip you to shreds, but so could any Zero or 109 that you are unaware of.
It gets thoroughly outmatched above 6.0 with the introduction of super props and early jet engines, that’s not to say you can’t exploit the weaknesses of these aircraft with the strengths of the LF Mk IX.
The LF Mk IX is a good climber and a good turning aircraft, but it lacks speed and roll rate to really deserve any sort of uptier, it also locks up easily in dives and most if not all single engine aircraft will easily outdive the LF Mk IX, there’s also the fact that a lot of aircraft simply outpace the LF Mk IX at higher altitudes and when played right are virtually untouchable by the LF Mk IX (Ta-152, Me 262A-2a)
By uptiering the LF Mk IX you immensely diminish it’s capabilities and start putting it in places where it has no chance of winning, aircraft like the 262, MiG-9L, Su-9, F-84 and even stuff like the SK-60 would have an absolute field day with the much slower LF Mk IX.
The LF Mk IX is a good plane no doubt, but 5.7 is where it’s been for years and there’s no real reason to move it, just because you score aces in an aircraft doesn’t mean it should be moved up, if this was the case I could single-handedly move up any aircraft in the game.
Jesus christ how many more threads are you gonna make before you learn that you can just get better or something.
the same applies for the yak3p in which am negative but get 2 kills per game lately.
The stats are from when I was noob AND the hispanos were horrible. You can check the sea fury; it’s pretty much 90 percent from when the cannons were still bad and 10 percent from when they got fixed but moved up to 5.7 from 5.3. These planes I have better stats on are because I’ve been flying then since early 2023, and I want to play more religiously those aircraft that are objectively bad; such as the sea fury, j5n1, n1k; or planes that people keep saying they’re so good despite they’re only good at out dogfighting attack jets, such as the f-5e.
henever I play a very good plane I tend to switch my brain off, go for a cool dogfight and then die third partied or just not die but get only two kills while the entire team vaporizes the enemy in the background.
Today I got shaggud by a spitfire lf mk9 that has done some serious BS maneuver from below and still got me while i was flying at 600 ias in the yak3p, next up I got caught up by a spitfire lf mk9 on the f8f-1b and I made this post then played the LF mk9 seriously and got a six kill game.
yeah but my stats don’t because of X
You were using somebodies stats in the F-5E thread to justify why the F-5E is so bad without any nuance though.
So same applies here, the spitfire LF mk9 is worse than every other prop +/- 1 BR since you have better stats in almost all of them.
The LF Mk IX is a good climber and a good turning aircraft,
and retains energy very well below 500 ias
but it lacks speed and roll rate to really deserve any sort of uptier
well, the n1k2j lacks even more speed and even more roll rate and sits at 6.0, what’s your point then? I average 620kmh on the deck with the lf mk9 and can put the mk14 to fly around at 780 here and there while i’m above 6km by doing shallow dives and propeller pitch adjustments. The LF Mk9 can also reach 700 in shallow dives at medium-high altitude.
it also locks up easily in dives and most if not all single engine aircraft will easily outdive the LF Mk IX
Simply wrong, spitfires are some of the best diving props in the entire game and if they lock up just go up, you do have the kinetic energy and engine power to go up again where the enemy is never going to catch you up.
there’s also the fact that a lot of aircraft simply outpace the LF Mk IX at higher altitudes and when played right are virtually untouchable by the LF Mk IX (Ta-152, Me 262A-2a)
No shit, jets! Who would have guessed! also the ta152h does NOT slap the spitfire lf mk9, the lf mk9 definitely outperforms the ta below 5km of altitude; you just need to keep your speed and force the ta low. If I can reverse ta152H on the f8f-1b that is basically a brick with awful control and no energy retention, so be better with the spitfire! What aircraft can outpace the spitfire LF Mk9? Apart from some German bricks and the American props, not much else really.
fire starter starting fires again!
i am already better. or is it that good players can’t complain despite doing good?
why are you wofting around your singular 6K game like its the first edition of the bible?
I use someone’s stats not to justify that “a plane is good or bad” but to refute when they say “i have a skill issue” despite literally being better than them in the very aircraft I complain about but they regard as OP.
This same thread repeats over and over; when i cried about the N1K2J in which I have 3kd, or the Hornet and Sea Fury in which I have 3.7 kd with. And so on. Defyn has 20 kill death ratio on the J5N1 and he knows it’s such a shit plane he doesn’t even bother covering it and has said it personally to me, much like he said in his videos that the j5n1 is trash whenever he finds it in the matches, much like everyone I found in J5N1 before I had it have told me it’s a bad aircraft.
once again, we go back to saying that the zero is bad but people think it’s op because people is dumb enough to turn fight it. The same thing applies to the f-5e except that it struggles as hard with 11.0+ aircraft than the zero does, but because its american people cry about it and say it’s OP. I had J7E’s literally losing to me one circle because they didn’t pop the flaps. The F-5E would be good if the shells didn’t stop in the air after leaving the muzzle for half a second and gave more actual kills than “hit” and other sorts of white text below the “severe damage”.
Okay, this is true. But it’s also true for a lot of other aircraft around the same BR so it’s a moot point.
I’ve never experienced this. The N1K2 has always been an exceptional aircraft and It’s not easily caught in a straight line by the LF Mk IX. I don’t know where you get this idea unless your aircraft is missing modifications.
Which is significantly slower than the faster aircraft such as the P-51H and 109/190 series can manage.
Not only are spitfires not that good at diving but they also have a low rip speed in comparison to good divers like the P-38, P-47, 109 and P-51 series of airframe.
“You just need to play the plane to it’s strengths!”
Yeah, Cool, That’s kinda the point of the game in most cases. But my point wasn’t so much that the aircraft can do everything but that there’s clearly a line where the LF Mk IX stops being good and that’s in the speed and higher altitude department. You quite literally misread my statement then misrespond. I specified the altitude for a reason because that’s where the 152 out performs the LF Mk IX.
You even go on to say “what aircraft outpaces the spitfire” then immediately name numerous planes in two different trees. Judging by your earlier statements it doesn’t seem so much that the LF Mk IX is overperforming, you’ve just found a single air frame you do average in. Because you perform poorly in other aircraft (your own statements) you deem the LF Mk IX to be too good because you realize it’s easy to play. Even I admitted the aircraft was easy to play but that doesn’t mean the LF Mk IX should be anywhere near 7.3s and 7.0s, it’s just not a viable battle rating for it.
Just because I can double ace in a IL-2 doesn’t mean it should go up in BR.
“a singular 6 k game”? This “singular 6k game” is the only game I had literally after I made this post to counter L tier takes like this.
So you admit you have no sample size and you’re just basing it off a potential stroke of luck. Go play 10 more and report back.
I use someone’s stats not to justify that “a plane is good or bad” but to refute when they say “i have a skill issue” despite literally being better than them in the very aircraft I complain about but they regard as OP.
But you literally used them as an example of the F-5E being bad because that guy had worse stats in the F-5E than everything else.
Your words, not mine.
Okay, this is true. But it’s also true for a lot of other aircraft around the same BR so it’s a moot point.
Moot? These aircraft that also retain at 500 ias can only dream of having the ability to turn inside the zero at those speeds.
I’ve never experienced this. The N1K2 has always been an exceptional aircraft and It’s not easily caught in a straight line by the LF Mk IX. I don’t know where you get this idea unless your aircraft is missing modifications.
Have you flown the n1k after new power? It’s literally one of the slowest rank 4 props
Which is significantly slower than the faster aircraft such as the P-51H and 109/190 series can manage.
aircraft against which the lf mk9 can perfectly counter if played right; this is target prioritization, positioning and dragging people outside furballs to dogfight them.
Not only are spitfires not that good at diving but they also have a low rip speed in comparison to good divers like the P-38, P-47, 109 and P-51 series of airframe.
780kmh ias is quite a healthy speed to pick up people in most cases. Still, if someone starts running away diving, the chances they are recovering their position are extremely low. To defeat a spitfire you have to have a significant energy advantage; literally like against any other aircraft.
“You just need to play the plane to it’s strengths!”
Yeah, Cool, That’s kinda the point of the game in most cases. But my point wasn’t so much that the aircraft can do everything but that there’s clearly a line where the LF Mk IX stops being good and that’s in the speed and higher altitude department
who else stays at high altitude? matches are too short for high altitude boom and zoomers to even reach higher than you before the match is over. If anything your biggest enemy in these cases would be the f4u 4b because it’s a formidable high speed aircraft that doesn’t care about altitude as it is great on the deck, great at medium altitude and great at higher altitude.
You even go on to say “what aircraft outpaces the spitfire” then immediately name numerous planes in two different trees
of which the spitfire vastly outclimbs and outdogfights.
Just because I can double ace in a IL-2 doesn’t mean it should go up in BR.
Cool, why don’t people apply the same for the f-5e? but wait, the f-5e has 10.0 performance with 10.0 armament at 10.7, while the spitfire lf mk9 has 5.7 performance with 6.0 armament.
Do you still fail to remember that the only thing that can kill a yak3u isolatedly is a spitfire lf mk9?
“Y-yeah but these other aircraft can’t turn as-”
Yeah that wasn’t the point of your statement, you’re essentially saying X has more horsepower when Y when they both have 500 but then saying well X also has Z. It’s still a moot point because all the aircraft can retain similar energy. If you were trying to say that the spitfire can turn better than a P-38 then you would be correct but that doesn’t invalidate my statement.
Not only are you using the aircraft at sea level where it was not designed to fight (unlike the LF Mk IX, hence the LF designation) but these aircraft are also designed for range while maintaining a high top speed at altitude. This is still true.
Not only do I not see the modifications on your aircraft but these images of the F8F and N1K prove nothing other than the F8F can be painted in a different skin? Cool? Also you’re comparing a 6.3 to a 6.0 which is not only unfair but it’s arguing in bad faith.
Ditto. The LF Mk IX has dozens of counters.
This isn’t true, you can easily out turn the MK IX with aircraft like the A6M and A7M. The Spitfire doesn’t turn on a dime and gets out turned by other specialty aircraft like the P-59A. If you’re just going to lie then there’s no point in discussing further.
I wholeheartedly agree! The fact that you’re criticizing the game mode’s ridiculous rules shows that you’re onto something. Perhaps using a poorly made balancing system and botched gamemode rules isn’t the best way to make a fun and engaging game mode. However it doesn’t matter if the match timer is only 30 seconds. That doesn’t mean the Ta 152 doesn’t perform significantly better at higher altitudes.
You cannot kill what you cannot catch. The biggest reason why the LF Mk IX is easy to play is because it is able to prey on enemy pilots who fly below it. By flying above the LF Mk IX you’re essentially making it a free kill.
I don’t know what the F-5E has to do with any of this but the Spitfire’s Armament isn’t a 5.7 or a 6.0 armament. The armament of .50 caliber machine guns mixed with 20mm can be seen as low as 3.7. The LF Mk IX’s armament is effectively weaker than the XP-55’s due to it’s wing placement and not being centerlined in the nose.
You have a tendency to go on rants that don’t have anything to do with the discussion at hand, you often resort to whataboutism and dismissing points while bringing up irrelevant or inane data.
The F-5E is a well balanced aircraft at 10.7 with the ability to catch 10.7 aircraft and kill 10.7 aircraft, I don’t really see a correlation to this discussion though.
If this is true why did I kill a lone Yak-3U with my Do 335B-2?
Did you play more than one game in the LF Mk IX today?
Thoughts?
It’s slow for it’s BR and many fighters can just elect to leave the fight.
Also, doesn’t the F2G just kek it in flight performance?
The only way a LFMk9 truly does well at its BR is when you use MEC. If you leave it on auto its average at that BR
I can see the performance, but do we really consider 2 20’s and 2 .50 cals 6.0 armament???
As you can see here the Shackleton is overperforming and should be 6.3 because of this one game, thank you
“I’m a twisted firestarter” and all that
That’s one game… If you were able to get, say, a 6 K/D with a decent number of matches in said plane I’d put my thoughts aside.
However, I’m willing to wager that that’s probably not the case.
That and the F-5 thread (how anyone can “argue” it needs to go down further in BR is beyond me), the guns can be a bit wonky sometimes but equally they can get oneshots that just don’t seem fair. The Flight Performance is pretty favourable. Only thing you take is no BVR weapons, but a) multipathing exists, b) you’ve got Cryogenic Freezers for engines, c) retention
Your points aren’t necessarily wrong in every instance, but christ you don’t need to make a new thread to complain/argue/discuss how under/overpowered a aircraft is in your opinion. If everyone did that then the forum would die an agonising death. Nothing wrong with saying you think something’s OP or not, just… you don’t need to make a thread every day for it.
(And no, the F-5E does not need to go down in BR.)
